WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.955 --> 00:00:03.415 Disclaimer: Due to the nature of the topics discussed in this episode. 00:00:03.505 --> 00:00:06.865 Listener discretion is advised if you have young children nearby now, 00:00:06.865 --> 00:00:09.565 it would be a good time to pause the episode and come back later 00:00:09.655 --> 00:00:10.915 when little ears are not present. 00:00:11.826 --> 00:00:14.676 Intro: There is nothing wrong with your podcast streaming service. 00:00:15.156 --> 00:00:16.536 We now control your device. 00:00:17.196 --> 00:00:18.456 This is not a test. 00:00:18.576 --> 00:00:20.646 This is podcast of the paranormal. 00:00:21.006 --> 00:00:23.706 Close your curtains and stay away from your windows. 00:00:24.036 --> 00:00:25.116 Lock your doors. 00:00:25.206 --> 00:00:26.406 Turn off your lights. 00:00:26.706 --> 00:00:28.506 Get your snacks and drinks ready. 00:00:28.776 --> 00:00:30.636 Get to your basement or attic. 00:00:31.116 --> 00:00:33.276 The podcast is about to begin. 00:00:38.083 --> 00:00:39.013 Gab: Hello everyone. 00:00:39.013 --> 00:00:41.633 Today with us we have Annie Emprima. 00:00:42.513 --> 00:00:45.413 She is a metaphysical researcher. 00:00:45.873 --> 00:00:50.543 Annie, if you would like to explain to everyone kind of what that means 00:00:50.543 --> 00:00:52.083 and how you got into this role. 00:00:52.590 --> 00:00:57.004 Annie: yeah, it's certainly not something I picked from an academic drop-down menu. 00:00:57.764 --> 00:01:02.594 It came about four days after I arrived in Kuwait as part of an Army deployment. 00:01:03.344 --> 00:01:09.564 So four days in, for whatever reason, I was walking from my barracks over 00:01:09.564 --> 00:01:15.934 to my work tent to report for duty, and I just felt, felt, felt it- 00:01:16.144 --> 00:01:22.033 things on my skin in a way that was very amplified and unfamiliar to me. 00:01:22.493 --> 00:01:26.643 So when I see sometimes with autistic kids and something just doesn't 00:01:26.643 --> 00:01:30.643 feel right in their shoe, or the shirt doesn't feel right, that 00:01:31.193 --> 00:01:35.703 kicked in, and it kicked in without instruction manual, without warning. 00:01:35.713 --> 00:01:38.603 There was no memo that said, "Hey, your clairvoyance, clairaudience, 00:01:39.283 --> 00:01:43.103 clairsentience, clair empathy is gonna go from a level two to a, a 00:01:43.103 --> 00:01:46.353 level eight or nine without notice." 00:01:47.023 --> 00:01:48.463 It just happened. 00:01:48.463 --> 00:01:50.953 And so, you know, here I am on my deployment. 00:01:51.073 --> 00:01:52.443 It's deployment environment. 00:01:53.443 --> 00:01:58.563 And, um, I knew I wasn't going crazy, but it certainly felt like it, of, of having 00:01:58.563 --> 00:02:02.933 this sort of whisper in my ear, like, uh, like a really tiny hearing aid inside 00:02:02.933 --> 00:02:04.663 my ear and someone was talking to me. 00:02:05.453 --> 00:02:08.853 And I've, I've called them the whispers for 10 years now. 00:02:08.863 --> 00:02:09.983 My deployment was 10 years ago. 00:02:10.663 --> 00:02:14.277 And so, that led me into studying trauma. 00:02:15.277 --> 00:02:19.627 To condense a very long story into a short moment, it led me into understanding 00:02:19.627 --> 00:02:26.127 trauma with the aid of the whispers and the intuition that I have to see things 00:02:26.127 --> 00:02:27.867 that someone else wouldn't normally see. 00:02:28.647 --> 00:02:34.287 And so, uh, for 10 years, I've, I've spent probably about 60 hours a week 00:02:34.307 --> 00:02:39.077 dedicated to understanding trauma from a, a different perspective. 00:02:39.947 --> 00:02:45.207 And so fast-forward now, I use a lot of mystic capabilities to help 00:02:45.217 --> 00:02:49.437 people take their trauma healing beyond where therapy can go. 00:02:49.917 --> 00:02:55.041 I've created modalities, created a unique framework to help people zoom 00:02:55.041 --> 00:02:59.101 out and see the bigger picture, from traumas that they might have from before 00:02:59.101 --> 00:03:04.584 birth to how they've carried trauma forward into their, their offspring, and 00:03:04.584 --> 00:03:10.944 then also utilizing, more metaphysical functions to help people understand 00:03:10.944 --> 00:03:14.294 what it is that they have, who they are, and what they're meant to do 00:03:14.914 --> 00:03:19.654 Gab: So you're on deployment and you're only there for a few days, right? 00:03:20.114 --> 00:03:22.494 And then you have this spiritual awakening. 00:03:22.494 --> 00:03:24.064 So what is that like for you? 00:03:24.084 --> 00:03:28.454 Because you're like out of your comfort zone in so many ways and 00:03:28.454 --> 00:03:33.259 now you have, you know, this new like realization happening for you. 00:03:34.111 --> 00:03:34.921 Annie: Oh, it was wild. 00:03:34.931 --> 00:03:38.301 I, at f- I dismissed it 'cause that's what, you know, our brain wants to 00:03:38.301 --> 00:03:39.611 fill in the blank the best it can. 00:03:40.261 --> 00:03:43.851 So I dismissed it and think, "Okay, it's, it's the burning oil in the oil 00:03:43.891 --> 00:03:49.451 fields of Kuwait." W- I like, "Oh, I must be sensitive to the, the environmental 00:03:49.451 --> 00:03:51.111 stuff," 'cause that just seemed logical. 00:03:51.641 --> 00:03:54.121 And then no one else was complaining about it, no one else was having 00:03:54.121 --> 00:03:57.511 a reaction to it, so I thought, "Okay, I'm alone in this. 00:03:57.991 --> 00:04:01.321 M- maybe I'm sensitive and I'm feeling "prayer in the air". 00:04:01.371 --> 00:04:06.771 It's a, like 99% Islamic state, so maybe that's what it is. 00:04:06.771 --> 00:04:11.491 I'm, I'm not used to "prayer in the air." Because again, I, I didn't 00:04:11.501 --> 00:04:15.001 know what it was, and I was trying to make as much logic out of what 00:04:15.001 --> 00:04:19.061 was happening as possible, 'cause the thought of a grand spiritual awakening 00:04:19.061 --> 00:04:20.801 was not quite on the to-do list. 00:04:21.771 --> 00:04:25.451 It, it didn't even occur to me until later in the deployment when the 00:04:25.451 --> 00:04:29.801 voices got a little bit louder and I started feeling hands moving me. 00:04:29.971 --> 00:04:32.461 That's a different, it's a different sensation than just 00:04:32.761 --> 00:04:35.051 some intuitive thought coming in. 00:04:35.563 --> 00:04:38.439 And, I would feel these hands just move me. 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:39.979 I would be walking, I would walk 00:04:40.569 --> 00:04:45.029 Before it got too, too hot, in the evenings I would walk about 00:04:45.029 --> 00:04:46.539 five miles and just keep walking. 00:04:46.539 --> 00:04:47.849 That was how I was decompressing. 00:04:48.579 --> 00:04:51.679 And I would just get to a crossroads, and I wanna go straight, and I could 00:04:51.679 --> 00:04:56.429 just feel these hands moving me as if I were four years old and Big 00:04:56.429 --> 00:05:02.649 Daddy had hands turning me to guide the youngin to go in that direction. 00:05:03.649 --> 00:05:05.339 And I was, "Okay, well, we're walking this way. 00:05:05.339 --> 00:05:08.739 There's no harm in going this way." And then what I would end up doing is 00:05:08.739 --> 00:05:14.119 running into someone who was walking by themselves, and I would naturally say, 00:05:14.189 --> 00:05:18.209 "Well, hey, why don't we walk together and talk?" And so those moments just 00:05:18.219 --> 00:05:23.329 kept happening, and it wasn't, it wasn't unexplainable, so it wasn't, like, 00:05:23.339 --> 00:05:30.426 sending me into a corner of the camp w- with no real, reason to land there. 00:05:30.486 --> 00:05:37.016 It was usually to arrive at a point where somebody else was already solo or sitting 00:05:37.016 --> 00:05:40.126 by themselves or something of that nature. 00:05:40.136 --> 00:05:44.406 So it, it was validating itself as it was going through the months. 00:05:45.406 --> 00:05:49.786 And then it just got a little bit louder and felt a little bit crazier because 00:05:49.846 --> 00:05:53.796 the sensations were getting a little bit more amped up as time went on. 00:05:53.966 --> 00:05:58.996 And as I started honoring it, I- oddly, about midway through my 00:05:58.996 --> 00:06:02.526 deployment, it occurred to me these were the same voices as the imaginary 00:06:02.526 --> 00:06:04.146 friends I had when I was three. 00:06:05.116 --> 00:06:12.246 "Oh, welcome back." So it, it was a, a, a feeling of a reunion within me, and even 00:06:12.246 --> 00:06:16.616 now my ear's like, my ear is starting to The, the communication's kicking in. 00:06:17.076 --> 00:06:18.956 So that, that was the beginning. 00:06:18.966 --> 00:06:23.186 That was 10 years ago and the beginning of this wild, crazy journey. 00:06:24.186 --> 00:06:25.796 Jody: So do you hear, do you hear those voices? 00:06:25.806 --> 00:06:28.756 Do you actually hear them with your ears or is it more of like an inner voice? 00:06:29.756 --> 00:06:30.626 Annie: It's a combination. 00:06:30.936 --> 00:06:35.616 If I'm working with… Let's say you and I were working together in, in a 00:06:35.616 --> 00:06:41.576 client situation, I'm gonna hear it as a, a knowing that comes in, as if 00:06:41.576 --> 00:06:45.776 I were reading words in a book and I would hear the inner voice in me. 00:06:46.506 --> 00:06:52.796 But sometimes it's an auditory statement, and it'll come in different ways. 00:06:52.806 --> 00:06:55.976 So sometimes it's a male voice, a female voice. 00:06:56.576 --> 00:06:59.396 Depends on what's, what it is that's trying to communicate with 00:06:59.396 --> 00:07:00.876 me, and doesn't need to be louder 00:07:01.876 --> 00:07:06.256 Gab: That's so interesting too, to be able to connect it back to the same voice 00:07:06.286 --> 00:07:11.126 that you heard as a child that, you know, you associated as an imaginary friend. 00:07:11.136 --> 00:07:11.696 Yeah 00:07:12.646 --> 00:07:12.936 Annie: plural. 00:07:12.936 --> 00:07:13.646 There were two of them. 00:07:13.646 --> 00:07:15.856 So it was a male and a female, and they came back. 00:07:15.856 --> 00:07:18.716 They started talking to me maybe four months into the deployment 00:07:19.716 --> 00:07:20.816 Gab: Oh wow. 00:07:21.006 --> 00:07:22.666 So you reconnected with them as well. 00:07:22.676 --> 00:07:24.076 That's really interesting. 00:07:25.123 --> 00:07:28.636 Do you still work with the… Your, like, your imaginary friend from childhood? 00:07:29.136 --> 00:07:33.166 Annie: No, I haven't, I haven't had those voices in a bit because I've spent 00:07:33.166 --> 00:07:39.719 so much time working with clients that their voices are who I've been, really 00:07:40.029 --> 00:07:41.789 spending a lot of time focused on. 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:45.069 But even right now, whatever's coming in, I don't know if it's 00:07:45.069 --> 00:07:47.409 yours or… But they're getting loud. 00:07:47.419 --> 00:07:50.609 Like, they, they wanna know, they want us to know they're there, and they 00:07:50.609 --> 00:07:51.879 wanna be a part of the conversation. 00:07:52.403 --> 00:07:53.243 Gab: What are you hearing? 00:07:53.263 --> 00:07:54.243 I'm so curious. 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:58.749 Annie: It's not, it's more of, um… It's not a voice right now, but it's, 00:07:58.829 --> 00:08:03.909 it's the sensation that if you were to go into a meeting at work, how the, 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:09.019 the hustle and bustle of coming in and sitting down, and it's not anything of 00:08:09.059 --> 00:08:15.179 information yet, but y- but the arrival of, the arrival of plural, whatever 00:08:15.179 --> 00:08:16.309 maybe, I don't know what it is yet. 00:08:16.309 --> 00:08:21.689 I just, I can hear the, I can hear the, um, the rustling of things 00:08:21.689 --> 00:08:22.999 coming, the transmission coming in. 00:08:23.009 --> 00:08:24.749 It's still staticky, and it's not clear yet 00:08:25.189 --> 00:08:28.619 Jody: That's just my anxiety because I, I'm not, I'm not used to 00:08:28.629 --> 00:08:30.929 doing, uh, video, uh, interviews. 00:08:31.431 --> 00:08:33.869 So this is all very new to me, and this reminds me a lot of, like, a 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:38.809 Teams, uh, chat at work when… Yeah, so that, that's, uh, that's funny. 00:08:38.809 --> 00:08:39.559 That makes sense. 00:08:40.563 --> 00:08:44.439 Gab: So what does it typically look like, a session with a client? 00:08:45.439 --> 00:08:49.459 Annie: When we're looking in the paranormal space it, it, it gets, it 00:08:49.459 --> 00:08:51.219 can take a left turn very quickly. 00:08:51.449 --> 00:08:54.609 I've worked with clients, and I don't wanna scare anyone that's listening 00:08:54.609 --> 00:08:58.409 to this that might be from my audience that is not on the paranormal side. 00:08:59.319 --> 00:09:03.029 Not everyone's session is going to happen the way I'm gonna describe, 00:09:03.899 --> 00:09:07.629 but people who are open to paranormal experiences will experience this. 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:11.619 So I, I, I've … I wanna … If anyone's watching on my YouTube channel or your, 00:09:11.689 --> 00:09:16.599 your channel, listening, this is not everyone's session, but there were 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:19.999 times when I've worked with some of my advanced students, and we'll be in the 00:09:19.999 --> 00:09:25.149 middle of a trauma session, and their whole body will just start vibrating. 00:09:26.149 --> 00:09:27.479 And then they start channeling. 00:09:28.219 --> 00:09:31.019 Like, their mind stepped aside and something came through, and 00:09:31.019 --> 00:09:32.440 we're now talking with the council. 00:09:33.269 --> 00:09:36.659 And that was, that was how the council of nine came in . That's how they 00:09:36.659 --> 00:09:38.269 decided to show up the first time. 00:09:38.979 --> 00:09:42.759 I'm in a client session, and I had to stop them and say, "This is not respectful. 00:09:43.149 --> 00:09:44.659 This person paid for their session". 00:09:45.139 --> 00:09:47.629 If you wanna talk to me, I will, I will put a team together and 00:09:47.629 --> 00:09:49.469 we can… and, and they did. 00:09:49.499 --> 00:09:51.019 The, the council respected that. 00:09:51.419 --> 00:09:56.609 But the first time they came in, she was like, … It was, full body vibration. 00:09:57.099 --> 00:10:02.019 And, uh, she ended up being a member of the team that was connecting with them, 00:10:02.019 --> 00:10:04.199 so that, that worked out in the favor. 00:10:04.749 --> 00:10:07.879 I've had, deceased loved ones show up. 00:10:07.939 --> 00:10:08.919 I don't channel. 00:10:09.059 --> 00:10:10.969 I'm not a medium for somebody else. 00:10:11.029 --> 00:10:14.379 I create the causes and conditions for them to connect to their own loved ones 00:10:14.959 --> 00:10:18.819 so that I'm not distorting or interpreting through my lens of experience. 00:10:19.599 --> 00:10:24.059 And so we've had sessions where sometimes 00:10:24.109 --> 00:10:28.289 I'm having a session with a client, and Grandma hijacks the conversation. 00:10:28.859 --> 00:10:32.649 And Grandma's got all this to tell about, like, what happened and what … And 00:10:33.339 --> 00:10:36.899 now the focus is on Grandma, and Grandma's been gone for 20 years. 00:10:36.909 --> 00:10:38.859 So that can happen. 00:10:39.859 --> 00:10:44.679 I, I've had clients come to me thinking that they have been possessed by an 00:10:44.689 --> 00:10:47.659 entity, and it's outside of their control. 00:10:48.619 --> 00:10:54.459 In those cases, it's not always an entity, or if they believe it's an attachment. 00:10:54.459 --> 00:10:57.859 'Cause coming from a spiritual, if someone comes from a spiritual language, 00:10:58.549 --> 00:11:04.689 their drop-down menu is only what's been exposed for them And when I tap 00:11:04.699 --> 00:11:08.849 in to that entity that's in them, and I have, I think I, there's a couple on 00:11:08.849 --> 00:11:11.059 my YouTube channel where that happened. 00:11:11.359 --> 00:11:14.599 We went in and it turns out that they were invited. 00:11:14.599 --> 00:11:19.995 It wasn't an intrusive visit, it was moments where someone was in a state 00:11:19.995 --> 00:11:24.425 of desperation, probably in teenage years, where they just said, you know, 00:11:24.435 --> 00:11:28.735 "Please God, anyone, is anyone out there? Can anyone help me?" And when that 00:11:28.755 --> 00:11:31.935 invitation went out, visitors came in. 00:11:32.935 --> 00:11:37.115 And so when we connected to the visitors and we asked, "Okay, 00:11:37.125 --> 00:11:38.152 how long have you been here? 00:11:38.652 --> 00:11:39.455 Who or what are you? 00:11:40.455 --> 00:11:41.415 Where did you come from? 00:11:42.155 --> 00:11:43.265 How long have you been here? 00:11:43.785 --> 00:11:45.965 How are you helping?" Those are my, the four core. 00:11:46.965 --> 00:11:50.695 We find that they felt that they, weren't ready to cross over. 00:11:50.735 --> 00:11:51.785 They wanted a job. 00:11:52.325 --> 00:11:55.835 The call came out, they answered it, and so they have felt very loyal to 00:11:55.835 --> 00:11:59.015 this person for 10, 20, 30 years. 00:12:00.015 --> 00:12:03.795 Even though the need is no longer there, the invitation was no, there was 00:12:03.795 --> 00:12:05.975 never an end date to the invitation. 00:12:07.045 --> 00:12:11.435 Someone said, "I need someone right now, just for right now." It was, "I need 00:12:11.435 --> 00:12:16.375 someone," and so, uh, we needed to give… And it wasn't an eviction letter in the 00:12:16.375 --> 00:12:19.955 sense of you need, we need to extract, where I hear spiritual people, "We need to 00:12:19.955 --> 00:12:21.405 extract, we need to pull out, we need…" 00:12:21.592 --> 00:12:23.942 And they make it this theatrical Hollywood, 00:12:24.546 --> 00:12:24.816 Jody: Right 00:12:24.816 --> 00:12:25.156 Gab: Right. 00:12:25.166 --> 00:12:25.866 For entertainment 00:12:27.012 --> 00:12:29.112 Annie: it's very entertainment, uh, value. 00:12:30.112 --> 00:12:35.152 This is, this is, this has less of a it's very anti-climactic of, "Well, 00:12:35.162 --> 00:12:39.452 thank you for all the help you've done and we don't need you now." 00:12:39.912 --> 00:12:42.912 So very, like, two-minute solution. 00:12:43.812 --> 00:12:49.642 And it makes people aware of how sensitive we can be to the energy field, especially 00:12:49.642 --> 00:12:56.182 when we're younger, in what exists out there and what we invite in to our world. 00:12:56.720 --> 00:12:59.300 Gab: or like you said too, even when you're experiencing trauma, 00:12:59.310 --> 00:13:02.770 how that could even open you up to, you know, someone stepping 00:13:02.770 --> 00:13:04.580 into that role to try to assist you 00:13:05.580 --> 00:13:05.800 Annie: Mm-hmm. 00:13:06.220 --> 00:13:07.580 And that's a, that's a good point. 00:13:07.920 --> 00:13:13.490 I Being a trauma researcher, I've spent a lot of time studying patterns. 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:19.530 And I find that when spiritual leaders use things like, "Oh, we had to zip up, 00:13:19.540 --> 00:13:23.720 we had to protect ourself before we do energy work," my question is always, 00:13:23.870 --> 00:13:27.420 "Well, why haven't you healed your trauma first so that you don't have to do that?" 00:13:28.090 --> 00:13:32.070 Someone who doesn't have trauma doesn't have weak energy barriers, 00:13:32.970 --> 00:13:36.370 and there's not le- leaks, tears, and rips in the energy field. 00:13:36.390 --> 00:13:41.210 So when I hear someone saying that, … That, to me, is a red flag that they 00:13:41.210 --> 00:13:43.980 haven't done their own trauma work and they're spiritually bypassing. 00:13:44.576 --> 00:13:47.896 Someone who has done trauma work is going to vibrate in such a way 00:13:48.896 --> 00:13:51.026 that nothing penetrates that field. 00:13:51.596 --> 00:13:59.966 It is very clean, very strong in the transmission of the self that there 00:13:59.966 --> 00:14:02.906 is no invasion, there is no open door. 00:14:03.806 --> 00:14:09.926 And that … if I, if I teach anything in this space, it would be this is 00:14:09.926 --> 00:14:14.666 why trauma comes first before we explore higher consciousness, because 00:14:15.386 --> 00:14:18.126 if we don't clean trauma, we're always gonna have a dirty straw. 00:14:19.126 --> 00:14:19.556 Always 00:14:20.556 --> 00:14:23.966 Gab: No, and it's so important too, even when, when we're investigating 00:14:23.966 --> 00:14:28.376 in the field, we use a trauma-informed approach because you have to. 00:14:28.636 --> 00:14:32.387 Like, you have to look at the humanistic aspect of the paranormal. 00:14:32.397 --> 00:14:38.571 You can't just go in like some kind of like crusader who's going to you know? 00:14:38.751 --> 00:14:39.381 Yeah. 00:14:39.431 --> 00:14:40.061 Like you have 00:14:40.061 --> 00:14:40.221 to… 00:14:40.321 --> 00:14:41.431 Annie: We'll save the day. 00:14:41.431 --> 00:14:41.931 Gab: Yeah. 00:14:41.931 --> 00:14:46.051 Like we went, to Pennhurst last month and I put like a lot of time and 00:14:46.061 --> 00:14:50.751 effort and energy into learning like how do I do this ethically in a way 00:14:50.781 --> 00:14:54.411 that's not going to not only compromise us but the spirits that are there. 00:14:54.761 --> 00:14:56.971 Because they've had trauma, you know? 00:14:56.981 --> 00:15:01.491 So it's just you have to do that work before you're stepping 00:15:01.491 --> 00:15:02.971 into this field in any way. 00:15:04.331 --> 00:15:05.751 Annie: And we don't know what their job is. 00:15:06.271 --> 00:15:09.611 I've walked into haunted places, and it gets sensationalized. 00:15:10.041 --> 00:15:14.781 And I ask, "What is your role here? What is your job?" "Well, I'm here 00:15:14.781 --> 00:15:18.811 to guard the place. And if someone's coming in to do something that 00:15:19.031 --> 00:15:24.291 violates what my job has assigned me to do, I'm going to push them away." 00:15:25.441 --> 00:15:28.771 okay, well let's sit down and have a conversation of how I can help the 00:15:28.781 --> 00:15:31.481 entity do their job respectfully. 00:15:32.081 --> 00:15:36.391 And I've never had in all, in the 10 years that I've gone hunting, I've never found 00:15:37.391 --> 00:15:42.621 A spirit that disrespected me because I always came in with, "How can I help you?" 00:15:43.269 --> 00:15:43.679 Jody: Yeah 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:50.429 Annie: and it's really changed the way the spirit world interacts with me 00:15:51.179 --> 00:15:52.059 Gab: It really does. 00:15:52.929 --> 00:15:54.295 Jody: Yeah, I do have to agree with that. 00:15:54.305 --> 00:15:56.675 And that's something that Gabrielle has actually taught me because 00:15:56.675 --> 00:15:58.785 everything I knew, is what I've seen on 00:16:00.195 --> 00:16:00.655 Annie: Sure. 00:16:00.735 --> 00:16:02.375 Jody: You know, so and she loves to go 00:16:02.375 --> 00:16:03.065 into an adv- 00:16:03.275 --> 00:16:03.675 Annie: Invade space. 00:16:04.385 --> 00:16:04.585 Jody: Exactly. 00:16:04.585 --> 00:16:04.785 Yeah. 00:16:04.895 --> 00:16:09.605 Annie: No sacredness in coming in, no respect how we're approaching it. 00:16:09.985 --> 00:16:10.755 And what do we get? 00:16:10.755 --> 00:16:16.785 We get, we get that things moving, and noises, and banging, and… Why? 00:16:17.677 --> 00:16:20.087 Jody: Well, the thing is too is that, you know, it, they're not 00:16:20.087 --> 00:16:21.197 gonna jump through hoops for you. 00:16:22.134 --> 00:16:23.567 They're not gonna perform for you. 00:16:24.007 --> 00:16:27.235 The way I think about it is when I move on, I 00:16:27.235 --> 00:16:29.515 don't wanna think that that's how it's going to be. 00:16:29.695 --> 00:16:32.385 You know, a bunch of people screaming at me in the dark to, you 00:16:32.385 --> 00:16:35.395 know, move a cat ball or something like that , you know what I mean? 00:16:36.275 --> 00:16:39.345 And, we do that when we're on our investigations, but we do it in a 00:16:39.345 --> 00:16:42.955 way that you know, like we're not saying, "Hey, move this cat ball," or 00:16:42.955 --> 00:16:46.115 el- you know, like- Right … prove that you're here, you know, and, 00:16:46.115 --> 00:16:47.885 and screaming at them in the dark. 00:16:47.905 --> 00:16:49.725 No, we're, starting a conversation. 00:16:49.957 --> 00:16:50.917 Gab: Yeah we're building rapport. 00:16:51.037 --> 00:16:51.276 Yeah. 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:53.341 Annie: That relationship is really important 00:16:53.409 --> 00:16:53.759 Jody: Yeah 00:16:54.551 --> 00:16:56.931 Annie: Because it's, it's kind of like crows. 00:16:57.721 --> 00:17:02.141 Crows will pass down the message of someone that harmed them, and they 00:17:02.141 --> 00:17:03.451 will share it among the neighbors. 00:17:04.451 --> 00:17:08.331 I find that the spirit world is the same, is when, when we 00:17:08.331 --> 00:17:12.711 truly come in to understand and we truly come in to communicate 00:17:13.711 --> 00:17:15.271 It's a very different experience. 00:17:16.221 --> 00:17:20.231 And we can go deeper in the questions and deeper in the understanding 00:17:21.231 --> 00:17:24.911 deeper in our awareness of what exists outside of our physical reality 00:17:25.514 --> 00:17:27.054 Gab: Oh yeah, definitely. 00:17:27.174 --> 00:17:28.904 That's what we've found too. 00:17:28.904 --> 00:17:34.604 Like, you're opening a space that you didn't even know existed, and you're going 00:17:34.614 --> 00:17:41.204 beyond that, perceived notion of what, you know, a stereotypical ghost would be. 00:17:41.797 --> 00:17:43.817 Jody: I mean, even with specific locations too- 00:17:43.817 --> 00:17:43.887 Gab: Yeah 00:17:43.887 --> 00:17:47.267 … Jody: you have this whole backstory of what's going on in the location. 00:17:48.267 --> 00:17:52.924 And we find out a lot of the time that, what we're experiencing at these 00:17:52.924 --> 00:17:54.754 places, it doesn't line up with the story 00:17:55.120 --> 00:17:55.470 Annie: Right. 00:17:55.510 --> 00:17:55.990 Right. 00:17:56.154 --> 00:18:01.144 Very rarely has my experience matched what the sales brochure said 00:18:01.278 --> 00:18:01.818 Jody: Yeah. 00:18:02.171 --> 00:18:04.361 And I, I don't know what that says about us you know what I mean? 00:18:04.371 --> 00:18:06.851 But like, you know, it is interesting. 00:18:06.911 --> 00:18:10.141 You know, we, we've been to places where you go looking for one thing. 00:18:10.161 --> 00:18:13.818 you're expecting what you're going to experience, and you don't 00:18:13.818 --> 00:18:17.137 experience that, and you get… Sometimes you get blindsided a bit. 00:18:17.259 --> 00:18:17.709 Gab: Yeah. 00:18:18.647 --> 00:18:21.107 Jody: See a giant shadow in the woods, you know, something like that. 00:18:21.107 --> 00:18:21.327 But 00:18:22.327 --> 00:18:22.747 Annie: Mm-hmm. 00:18:23.747 --> 00:18:27.277 Yep, that's, that's when I close my eyes and I feel into what's there rather than 00:18:27.277 --> 00:18:31.317 trying to see what's there 'cause my eyes, if anyone's ever done psychedelics, the 00:18:31.317 --> 00:18:36.037 eyes are always… Their eyes can trick because it's, it's, it's being altered. 00:18:36.067 --> 00:18:39.837 But the senses are not gonna trick us in the same way. 00:18:40.837 --> 00:18:47.847 Telepathy is not, telepathy is less likely to get misinterpreted than 00:18:47.847 --> 00:18:49.147 what our visual eyes are seeing. 00:18:50.147 --> 00:18:53.107 So I've, I've had clients where they wake up in the middle of the night and these 00:18:53.107 --> 00:18:56.637 spirits are going in and out of them, in and out of them, and their mind interprets 00:18:56.647 --> 00:18:58.867 that as this physical violation. 00:18:59.867 --> 00:19:04.477 And sometimes it's the, you know, column A, sometimes it's column B. But 00:19:04.497 --> 00:19:08.837 if we don't talk and ask and find out what's going on, we don't really know. 00:19:09.117 --> 00:19:11.777 For instance, I had a client petrified, petrified of these 00:19:11.787 --> 00:19:12.957 things coming in and out of her. 00:19:13.947 --> 00:19:16.977 And we went into her superconscious and asked what is happening. 00:19:17.697 --> 00:19:21.867 And it turns out that the energies were coming in and out of her to help sway 00:19:21.907 --> 00:19:26.597 the meridians, to help her… So she's afraid of something that's coming in and 00:19:26.597 --> 00:19:31.507 trying to help her feel less anxiety, and it's creating more anxiety 'cause it's a 00:19:31.507 --> 00:19:34.617 misinterpretation and a miscommunication. 00:19:35.067 --> 00:19:39.267 But once she understood what was happening, it now was something 00:19:39.267 --> 00:19:41.947 that was welcomed rather than that, that was feared. 00:19:42.917 --> 00:19:45.797 And, and, and till we ask questions, we don't know 00:19:46.844 --> 00:19:47.057 Gab: Yeah. 00:19:47.117 --> 00:19:47.857 That's so true. 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:52.429 Jody: Now, are you ever worried that you might get it wrong 00:19:52.909 --> 00:19:54.019 with some of your guidance? 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:57.069 Annie: If it's coming from someone's superconscious, no. 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.429 it's coming into my earpiece, no, 'cause that's not coming from their mind. 00:20:00.749 --> 00:20:02.129 What comes out of their mouth, yes. 00:20:02.969 --> 00:20:07.979 Very often I'm watching someone tell me something, and their body is squirming and 00:20:07.979 --> 00:20:12.679 they're not … Like, the, the, the body is making it clear it disagrees with what 00:20:12.679 --> 00:20:14.249 the mind is putting through the mouth. 00:20:14.662 --> 00:20:14.922 Jody: Okay. 00:20:14.952 --> 00:20:16.092 Annie: The words don't match. 00:20:16.882 --> 00:20:18.832 But if it's coming into my earpiece, no. 00:20:18.872 --> 00:20:20.772 That's coming in from a much deeper state. 00:20:21.752 --> 00:20:23.122 It's very rarely wrong. 00:20:24.122 --> 00:20:25.862 And I, I don't always interpret it. 00:20:25.902 --> 00:20:29.302 I will say it as it's coming through and say, "I don't know how to interpret this. 00:20:29.762 --> 00:20:33.812 This is what I'm getting. This is my guess." But I'll, I'll make it clear that 00:20:33.862 --> 00:20:37.052 that's how I'm relaying the information 00:20:37.324 --> 00:20:37.654 Jody: Mm-hmm. 00:20:38.654 --> 00:20:41.804 Gab: Now I've, I think I've seen that you have worked with 00:20:41.804 --> 00:20:44.411 people who have, been abducted. 00:20:45.184 --> 00:20:46.474 What is that like? 00:20:47.919 --> 00:20:49.565 Annie: Been abducted for different reasons. 00:20:50.135 --> 00:20:52.105 So back, what was it? 00:20:52.105 --> 00:20:54.395 2021, maybe 2021. 00:20:54.765 --> 00:20:58.985 I, I tend to have clients all of the same, so I will get a batch of eight people 00:20:58.985 --> 00:21:03.075 that have fibromyalgia, a batch of eight people that have cardiac distress issues. 00:21:03.745 --> 00:21:09.535 This was the season of alien abductions where they knew something happened 00:21:09.745 --> 00:21:11.165 in a particular point in their time. 00:21:12.135 --> 00:21:17.575 They either lost memory of what happened or distorted what they thought happened. 00:21:18.575 --> 00:21:22.335 And I have a modality called the mural method, and it's usually used 00:21:22.345 --> 00:21:27.915 to help people go back into a trauma scene to meet… If we think of time 00:21:27.945 --> 00:21:32.345 in 3D, time only goes forward in our current understanding of time. 00:21:32.915 --> 00:21:36.635 If we raise our vibration, time can go forward and backward, and if we go a 00:21:36.635 --> 00:21:40.965 little bit higher in conscious expansion, everything is happening all at once. 00:21:41.475 --> 00:21:44.155 So with the mural method, when we walk through the mural to another 00:21:44.155 --> 00:21:49.145 point in time, it's not going into the past, it's going into something 00:21:49.145 --> 00:21:52.675 that is happening concurrently, but a different version of the self. 00:21:53.405 --> 00:21:58.695 So the client and I would go through the mural to that moment just before the 00:21:58.695 --> 00:22:04.905 abduction, maybe 22 minutes, 20 minutes, and then we, we tiptoe forward in time. 00:22:05.795 --> 00:22:09.635 But we're looking at the younger self in the bedroom, in the living 00:22:09.635 --> 00:22:13.887 room, in the backyard, and we're w- we're observing like ghosts. 00:22:14.905 --> 00:22:16.845 And, side note, I wanna come back to that. 00:22:17.735 --> 00:22:23.705 We're observing what's happening as, as current day witnessing something 00:22:23.705 --> 00:22:28.245 that in the mind of a 3D understanding of time is happening in the past, 00:22:28.645 --> 00:22:30.315 but it's happening in that moment. 00:22:31.315 --> 00:22:37.512 So we've used that to then witness… I'm with the client in the scene. 00:22:37.932 --> 00:22:43.272 We, when we go back into this virtual reality function, I'm w- I'm with the 00:22:43.272 --> 00:22:47.362 client, and we're watching the younger self get lifted up or pulled up. 00:22:48.342 --> 00:22:51.452 And we coattail, and we go up to wherever they're going. 00:22:51.452 --> 00:22:52.582 Sometimes it's a spacecraft. 00:22:53.462 --> 00:22:57.982 When we get to the spacecraft, there's usually something that can 00:22:57.982 --> 00:22:59.252 speak to us, that can talk to us. 00:22:59.252 --> 00:23:01.864 We're not stuck just witnessing without communication. 00:23:02.892 --> 00:23:08.472 One time, one of the events, the entities were just curious of humans, 00:23:08.512 --> 00:23:14.622 and so they, they took this client for the moment to just examine, like 00:23:14.632 --> 00:23:19.272 a child might look at a snail or a salamander or something on the ground. 00:23:20.212 --> 00:23:24.792 And they, they cause some damage, in, in that observation, and then they 00:23:25.792 --> 00:23:28.272 Put him back down and return him. 00:23:29.092 --> 00:23:33.292 And it wasn't that they were being… They weren't trying to be malicious, 00:23:33.302 --> 00:23:34.902 and they weren't trying to cause harm. 00:23:35.312 --> 00:23:38.642 It was a species that was trying to observe, but they were a little bit 00:23:38.642 --> 00:23:42.992 reckless in their observation, so they caused trauma physically and emotionally. 00:23:43.992 --> 00:23:49.082 Another client went up, and I think they were 17 at the time, 00:23:49.772 --> 00:23:54.262 another male, and it was to help them to prepare them for adulthood. 00:23:54.642 --> 00:23:59.182 So they were shifting the energy in their body so that as they started, 00:23:59.732 --> 00:24:03.812 developing more of their brain, the prefrontal cortex, it was to help 00:24:03.812 --> 00:24:08.932 them handle experiences they were about to embark on, paranormal things. 00:24:09.562 --> 00:24:14.642 And so it was, it was like allowing, if we use implants, it was removing the 00:24:14.652 --> 00:24:18.882 filters so that they could see things now that they were older because if 00:24:18.882 --> 00:24:21.452 they had access to it when they were younger, it would have freaked them out. 00:24:22.342 --> 00:24:24.442 So that was one of the moments. 00:24:25.352 --> 00:24:29.302 But sometimes it, uh, I had a client, not part of this batch, it was a 00:24:29.302 --> 00:24:34.082 different client, where we followed it up and we went to a different place. 00:24:34.082 --> 00:24:35.252 It wasn't a spacecraft. 00:24:35.252 --> 00:24:39.242 It wasn't… It was another, another world of sorts. 00:24:39.792 --> 00:24:46.982 And she had hybrid children, and we're witnessing this of her as 00:24:46.982 --> 00:24:52.682 an adult watching her 20-something younger self being used to 00:24:52.682 --> 00:24:55.562 extract eggs for these children. 00:24:56.342 --> 00:24:59.962 That was the first time I encountered that, so that was a little bit, that 00:24:59.962 --> 00:25:05.352 was a little bit of a, a session that went to the edge of my understanding. 00:25:06.362 --> 00:25:09.922 when I asked her superconscious, her superconscious said, "Yes, we agreed to 00:25:09.922 --> 00:25:13.842 this before she was even born." But her subconscious said, "No, we never agreed 00:25:13.842 --> 00:25:20.082 to this." So the higher conscious self understood the, the assignment even 00:25:20.082 --> 00:25:24.869 though there was no consent from the, active mind or the superconsciious. 00:25:25.449 --> 00:25:26.589 They never got the memo. 00:25:26.659 --> 00:25:31.778 But the superconscious did and was not concerned with the 00:25:31.778 --> 00:25:32.838 events that were unfolding. 00:25:33.418 --> 00:25:36.978 So it was a little bit hard for her to reconcile because her mind 00:25:36.978 --> 00:25:41.544 never said yes even though her higher self or her soul said yes. 00:25:42.278 --> 00:25:47.048 And that felt like a civil war within her that had to get reconciled because 00:25:47.058 --> 00:25:53.308 how dare you volunteer me for this without ever asking me, not realizing 00:25:54.148 --> 00:25:57.178 the soul's path, and sometimes the soul is here to do things that 00:25:57.348 --> 00:26:01.988 are not gonna make sense to modern understanding of, non-physical reality 00:26:02.988 --> 00:26:05.571 Jody: So these sessions, how do they generally look? 00:26:05.591 --> 00:26:09.271 Are they, i- is it a sort of hypnosis thing that's going on? 00:26:09.281 --> 00:26:13.431 Or is it like a meditation discussion 00:26:13.981 --> 00:26:19.141 Annie: What happens with private sessions that are on the advanced side, 'cause 00:26:19.141 --> 00:26:22.421 I have, I have coaching, which coaching would just be talking and me having an 00:26:22.421 --> 00:26:26.481 understanding of connecting to their nervous system, connecting to their soul. 00:26:27.171 --> 00:26:29.611 When I'm doing advanced work, which is what I'm known for, 00:26:30.161 --> 00:26:31.411 I use an elevator system. 00:26:31.411 --> 00:26:36.361 You go up the elevator, so we're having your mind count and preoccupying it with 00:26:36.361 --> 00:26:40.881 a visual, while I come in the back door, kind of the motherboard of your brain, 00:26:41.421 --> 00:26:46.981 and I access to overlay so that I can get your information on my dashboard. 00:26:47.081 --> 00:26:52.721 There's a invisible dashboard inside my eyes that'll tell me what we're about to 00:26:52.721 --> 00:26:56.171 do, and then I have the earpiece saying, "This is the s- this is what we wanna do 00:26:56.171 --> 00:27:00.011 with the session." So it's just like this. 00:27:00.011 --> 00:27:01.121 You're s- you're sitting up. 00:27:01.131 --> 00:27:02.091 There's no hypnosis. 00:27:02.101 --> 00:27:04.421 You, you can get up, you can walk around, you can drink water. 00:27:05.211 --> 00:27:08.521 It doesn't… Your eyes can be open, your eyes can be closed. 00:27:08.541 --> 00:27:11.101 Most people want their eyes closed 'cause it's easier for them to see, 00:27:11.841 --> 00:27:13.051 uh, with daylight, the light on. 00:27:13.891 --> 00:27:16.191 Some will use an eye mask, but it's not necessary. 00:27:17.191 --> 00:27:20.211 I have a client who can do it… She, she can do it while she's walking. 00:27:21.211 --> 00:27:24.111 And it's just putting you into a different state of virtual 00:27:24.111 --> 00:27:25.491 reality with your consciousness. 00:27:25.911 --> 00:27:29.651 And when I'm in your mind, it's kind of like when you have a virtual 00:27:29.701 --> 00:27:30.941 IT person come in your computer. 00:27:31.721 --> 00:27:36.471 I'm seeing some of what you're seeing, but only what I have classification to access. 00:27:37.471 --> 00:27:40.661 So I'll only get access to what your superconscious has 00:27:40.661 --> 00:27:41.791 given me permission to see. 00:27:42.791 --> 00:27:47.016 And then we start moving through the modalities So it would, 00:27:47.016 --> 00:27:47.944 it would look just like this 00:27:48.421 --> 00:27:53.001 Gab: So you've also worked with people who have believed that they might have, like 00:27:53.001 --> 00:27:54.891 some type of attachment or possession? 00:27:55.441 --> 00:27:55.891 Annie: Yeah. 00:27:56.161 --> 00:27:56.641 Yeah. 00:27:56.751 --> 00:27:59.461 And the attachments, it's a- almost all, they come in panic. 00:27:59.461 --> 00:28:02.271 They're like, "I can't get this thing out," or, "I've gotta call Archangel 00:28:02.271 --> 00:28:03.951 Raphael." Like, whoa, slow down. 00:28:04.171 --> 00:28:05.071 Slow, slow down. 00:28:05.071 --> 00:28:06.101 Let's find out why it's there. 00:28:06.841 --> 00:28:08.641 First, who or what are you? 00:28:09.201 --> 00:28:10.111 Where did you come from? 00:28:10.621 --> 00:28:11.721 How long have you been here? 00:28:12.001 --> 00:28:12.921 How are you helping me? 00:28:12.971 --> 00:28:16.921 And we … I always ask, "How are you helping me?" And they always say, "It's 00:28:16.931 --> 00:28:22.411 not." And then I always correct them, and I ask again, and we find out something 00:28:22.411 --> 00:28:24.501 that, that they never, thought of. 00:28:25.051 --> 00:28:29.521 When it comes to attachments, attachments don't happen unless we have trauma. 00:28:30.401 --> 00:28:31.901 Trauma weakens our energy field. 00:28:32.901 --> 00:28:36.455 If we don't have trauma, we're much less likely to have something, 00:28:37.005 --> 00:28:38.185 occupying our same space. 00:28:39.185 --> 00:28:42.435 When it's, when it's an attachment, that's when we slow down, and now 00:28:42.505 --> 00:28:46.055 going back to that conversation of where did you come from? 00:28:46.585 --> 00:28:48.155 When did I invite you in? 00:28:49.115 --> 00:28:55.605 But I've had, I've had, I had some crazy TikTok lives, and I had a client who just, 00:28:56.085 --> 00:29:00.655 she just kept feeling like she was being sexually violated over and over again by 00:29:00.655 --> 00:29:05.515 these entities, and she would wake up with these cuts and these marks on her body. 00:29:06.515 --> 00:29:12.391 And her superconscious is telling me, the, the earpiece voice is saying, "She's 00:29:12.391 --> 00:29:16.921 putting herself into a state of psychosis. She's not listening. We're trying to 00:29:16.921 --> 00:29:21.281 communicate with her." And the soul superconscious always speaks in plural. 00:29:21.551 --> 00:29:24.041 It's always we, never I, 'cause I is the mind. 00:29:25.041 --> 00:29:29.531 We're trying to tell her not to panic, that she's creating more 00:29:29.541 --> 00:29:31.381 of a psychosomatic experience. 00:29:32.091 --> 00:29:33.231 She's not listening to us. 00:29:33.611 --> 00:29:39.771 "Can you tell her to slow down and breathe?" And so all of these events, the 00:29:39.771 --> 00:29:45.101 more afraid she was, the more her skin was showing what she thought was supposed 00:29:45.101 --> 00:29:47.701 to happen if something invaded her body. 00:29:47.701 --> 00:29:52.631 Because Christianity and Hollywood have a great … They, they do a 00:29:52.631 --> 00:29:55.061 great job of creating a narrative. 00:29:56.061 --> 00:30:01.681 And it s- like, and it took her a long time, a long … I say many TikTok Lives 00:30:01.931 --> 00:30:04.681 coming up on demos, coming up in a panic. 00:30:05.311 --> 00:30:11.201 And of course, on TikTok, the more extreme it is, the more viewers I get. 00:30:12.081 --> 00:30:17.221 But at the same time ethically, it wasn't the right thing to keep feeding the story. 00:30:18.221 --> 00:30:19.321 So it's slow her down. 00:30:19.411 --> 00:30:21.191 Slow her down, slow her down. 00:30:21.201 --> 00:30:23.111 Get her mind connected back to her body. 00:30:23.371 --> 00:30:27.581 Get the mind and body connected back to the soul, and let's reassess from there. 00:30:28.131 --> 00:30:32.151 Because we're never gonna see clearly if those three are disconnected in any way. 00:30:32.911 --> 00:30:37.071 And sure enough, get her back into her body, get her grounded, 00:30:37.821 --> 00:30:40.811 get her thinking clearly, and all of the symptoms disappeared. 00:30:41.811 --> 00:30:42.137 Jody: Yeah. 00:30:42.613 --> 00:30:47.293 Annie: Not to say that it's not real sometimes, but if, if that earpiece says 00:30:47.353 --> 00:30:49.433 it's psychosomatic, it is psychosomatic 00:30:49.893 --> 00:30:52.327 Jody: So how do you deal with people when… cause I'm sure 00:30:52.327 --> 00:30:55.617 you've had clients, when you realize that there may be some sort of, 00:30:56.110 --> 00:30:56.700 Annie: Psychosis? 00:30:56.967 --> 00:30:57.737 Jody: Yeah 00:30:57.790 --> 00:30:59.770 Gab: Underlying mental health factors. 00:30:59.930 --> 00:31:00.080 Jody: That's what I'm looking for, yeah. 00:31:00.080 --> 00:31:00.830 Gab: Is that what you're thinking? 00:31:00.830 --> 00:31:01.230 Yeah. 00:31:01.958 --> 00:31:04.438 Annie: Yeah Sometimes they don't wanna hear it. 00:31:04.468 --> 00:31:07.428 They want the narrative, and that, and that's not my lane. 00:31:07.438 --> 00:31:13.098 I can't… I, even though I work in trauma, I work in metaphysical space 00:31:13.188 --> 00:31:15.758 of trauma, mind, body, soul connection. 00:31:16.070 --> 00:31:16.160 Jody: Mm-hmm. 00:31:17.230 --> 00:31:22.440 Annie: I, I am not going to step into the lane of mental health and treat, diagnose. 00:31:22.490 --> 00:31:27.380 I- that's not my role, and I can't even suggest it. 00:31:27.850 --> 00:31:29.470 I had a client that came to me. 00:31:30.430 --> 00:31:34.100 She had DID, dissociative identity disorder. 00:31:34.700 --> 00:31:37.320 Every time she'd come to have a sess- She bought a package, 00:31:37.320 --> 00:31:38.940 succession advance package. 00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:41.980 Every time she'd show up, it was a different personality, and I couldn't 00:31:42.020 --> 00:31:46.650 understand what was happening 'cause it didn't occur to me until the fourth 00:31:46.660 --> 00:31:50.110 session where she says, "Why am I even in this appointment? I don't know who 00:31:50.110 --> 00:31:53.390 you are." I'm like, "Wait a minute. W- we- we've had four session… This 00:31:53.390 --> 00:31:58.120 is the fourth session." And then I realized this isn't the personality I'm 00:31:58.120 --> 00:32:03.230 used to talking to, and because she was undiagnosed, I didn't know to look for it. 00:32:04.230 --> 00:32:06.810 And I can't be the one to say, "You have DID." That's 00:32:06.810 --> 00:32:08.750 not… I'm not a psychiatrist. 00:32:09.040 --> 00:32:09.320 Jody: Right. 00:32:09.770 --> 00:32:12.970 Annie: So I just have to say, "We're gonna discontinue services. This is not a good 00:32:12.970 --> 00:32:15.850 fit," ' cause it's, it's not my place. 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.670 I can suggest it, but if that gentle nudge doesn't get accepted, 00:32:19.710 --> 00:32:23.810 I can't, I can't take it past that. 00:32:24.810 --> 00:32:26.950 So I just have to discontinue service 'cause it's not… 00:32:27.110 --> 00:32:28.260 I'm not gonna help them. 00:32:28.270 --> 00:32:33.370 I'm going to… And this has happened in my, in my own, uh, 00:32:33.410 --> 00:32:38.110 practice where people have taken themselves into a state of psychosis. 00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:41.380 And even when I said, "Hey, we gotta slow it down, bring it back down," 00:32:42.380 --> 00:32:43.980 they don't wanna stop that momentum. 00:32:44.510 --> 00:32:46.620 They wanna keep going and sensationalize it. 00:32:46.620 --> 00:32:54.160 And back in 2022, I had three students, two s- two students, and I had given 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:59.520 them too much stage time on TikTok, and they, they were convinced there 00:32:59.520 --> 00:33:03.868 were demons and that my soul had been trapped and, and it was this ridiculous 00:33:04.760 --> 00:33:09.660 story based through the lens of their own addictions that ended up costing 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.260 me about $45,000 in re- lost revenue. 00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:16.770 And I lost a lot of clients that were Christian adjacent. 00:33:16.890 --> 00:33:21.510 They were one foot in the water, but not really into metaphysics fully, 00:33:21.520 --> 00:33:24.470 so that when something happened, it pulled them right back out. 00:33:24.940 --> 00:33:28.940 And I lost those clients that had been guided to me because these 00:33:28.940 --> 00:33:33.470 individuals would not… They, they… When I said, "You need to slow down. 00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:36.060 It's not what you think it is," they thought… They took that as 00:33:36.060 --> 00:33:40.540 disrespect, and then dug their heels in the sand and went on 14-day boot 00:33:40.540 --> 00:33:46.110 camps to detoxify people of my energy on TikTok, and it was so insane, so 00:33:46.110 --> 00:33:52.250 theatrical, and yet people believed them, and believed them with, with genuine 00:33:52.270 --> 00:33:55.690 fear And there's nothing I can do. 00:33:55.690 --> 00:34:01.510 I can't go grab that and, and grab all these people and say, "No, this is what 00:34:01.510 --> 00:34:06.560 someone with mental health issues is doing," because I can't even label them. 00:34:07.290 --> 00:34:13.420 I'm not in a position to even say they're not mentally h- well And so it, it 00:34:13.420 --> 00:34:19.660 does create a bit of a predicament when individuals take things beyond, what 00:34:19.660 --> 00:34:22.690 is happening and they take the facts, they distort them, and they create a 00:34:22.690 --> 00:34:26.860 narrative even though the facts don't support it And that's, that was the 00:34:26.860 --> 00:34:31.770 start of why I have such an emphasis on trauma work first before we go do trauma 00:34:31.770 --> 00:34:33.260 work first before we go ghost hunting. 00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:37.280 Do trauma work first before we go energy expanding and talking to aliens 00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:41.340 because our experiences will always be seen through the lens of trauma 00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:42.150 Jody: Right. 00:34:42.650 --> 00:34:46.326 Gab: Now do you have any personal paranormal experiences? 00:34:46.900 --> 00:34:50.037 Annie: So many things happened as a kid, and I just dismissed was, 00:34:50.047 --> 00:34:53.587 like, my imagination from reading those ghost stories when I was a kid. 00:34:54.294 --> 00:34:56.570 I had boyfriends that I should not have been dating when I 00:34:56.570 --> 00:34:58.400 was 14, when I was 15, 16. 00:34:59.020 --> 00:35:01.592 disrespectful young men, disrespectful. 00:35:02.540 --> 00:35:07.380 So they would want to be pursuing some sexual activity in my bedroom, 00:35:07.380 --> 00:35:11.720 and I'm a teenager, and I would feel no, but I wasn't saying no 00:35:11.720 --> 00:35:12.870 'cause I was a people pleaser. 00:35:13.870 --> 00:35:15.580 So the lamps would do it for me. 00:35:16.560 --> 00:35:20.918 They would just flicker, and flicker, and flicker So much so that they would 00:35:20.918 --> 00:35:23.278 leave my bedroom and go back downstairs. 00:35:24.075 --> 00:35:28.235 It happened maybe, maybe four, with four, four guys. 00:35:28.575 --> 00:35:33.375 The last time it happened, my bedroom, why my parents put me in the bedroom 00:35:33.375 --> 00:35:37.535 that had the window up over the garage where I could escape and go hang out 00:35:37.535 --> 00:35:40.965 with my friends all night, or I also had the access to the attic door. 00:35:41.965 --> 00:35:43.325 So my boyfriend wanted to smoke. 00:35:43.335 --> 00:35:44.095 It was winter. 00:35:44.135 --> 00:35:46.845 He didn't wanna go outside, which is what my mother told him he needed to do. 00:35:47.215 --> 00:35:49.335 He's 16, 17. 00:35:49.335 --> 00:35:50.175 Is that, maybe 18? 00:35:50.205 --> 00:35:50.575 I don't know. 00:35:51.435 --> 00:35:54.545 So we went upstairs to the attic, and it was bare wood, and there 00:35:54.545 --> 00:35:56.545 were no fixed light fixtures. 00:35:56.545 --> 00:35:58.665 They were the clamps that squeeze onto the eaves, 00:35:58.841 --> 00:35:59.111 Jody: Mm-hmm. 00:35:59.725 --> 00:36:01.355 Annie: and then it's, like, the floodlight thing that hangs down. 00:36:01.975 --> 00:36:04.525 And I kept telling him I didn't want him smoking, but I 00:36:04.525 --> 00:36:05.855 wasn't assertive at the time. 00:36:05.855 --> 00:36:06.905 I was still a people pleaser. 00:36:07.485 --> 00:36:10.225 And I was, "I do- Jeff, I don't want you smoking in my house. My 00:36:10.225 --> 00:36:15.905 mother said no. I don't want you smoking." That… Can we swear? 00:36:16.269 --> 00:36:16.599 Gab: Yes. 00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:16.819 Jody: Yeah. 00:36:17.029 --> 00:36:17.429 Gab: Yeah. 00:36:17.685 --> 00:36:17.885 Annie: Okay. 00:36:18.095 --> 00:36:21.235 That fucking light dropped about four inches above his head. 00:36:21.535 --> 00:36:22.915 It freaked him out. 00:36:22.925 --> 00:36:24.225 He ran out of my attic. 00:36:24.225 --> 00:36:25.475 He never smoked in my house again 00:36:26.486 --> 00:36:26.666 Gab: That's 00:36:26.735 --> 00:36:27.015 Jody: funny. 00:36:27.148 --> 00:36:27.408 Gab: Yep. 00:36:27.428 --> 00:36:28.658 Spirit got the message across. 00:36:30.052 --> 00:36:33.862 Annie: And here's the, here's the kicker is I would remember 00:36:33.902 --> 00:36:35.022 ghosts coming into my room. 00:36:35.122 --> 00:36:38.222 And I … They, they were benevolent. 00:36:38.232 --> 00:36:40.432 They didn't feel like they were there to scare me. 00:36:40.742 --> 00:36:45.232 It didn't feel, um It, it like haunted. 00:36:45.262 --> 00:36:48.082 It hau- … My house didn't feel haunted, I just couldn't see 00:36:48.082 --> 00:36:49.262 them and I couldn't hear them. 00:36:49.682 --> 00:36:53.032 I could feel them, and that was all I had, which was scary, but not 00:36:53.812 --> 00:36:54.822 They didn't feel scary. 00:36:54.852 --> 00:36:56.582 It was scary 'cause I couldn't communicate. 00:36:57.582 --> 00:36:59.642 Well, here I am, I'm doing the mural method. 00:36:59.652 --> 00:37:04.372 The mural method started back in 2020, 2021. 00:37:04.772 --> 00:37:06.332 The, the modality came to me. 00:37:07.062 --> 00:37:09.552 And I was on a, an app called Clubhouse at the time. 00:37:10.552 --> 00:37:15.262 And then bring the, the, the client that he had paid to do a demo, he came up, 00:37:15.752 --> 00:37:18.892 and the earpiece, when I connected to him, said, "Take him through the mural." 00:37:19.172 --> 00:37:20.612 And I didn't know what that was at the time. 00:37:21.552 --> 00:37:24.492 And we walk through the mural, and we end up in his middle 00:37:24.492 --> 00:37:27.632 school playground, and he, and his younger self is playing football. 00:37:27.652 --> 00:37:29.732 So that's where the modality came from. 00:37:30.082 --> 00:37:33.432 So maybe two years later, I'm thinking, "Well, if I can do this 00:37:33.432 --> 00:37:37.022 for clients, why don't I go back to my childhood and go help her?" 00:37:37.772 --> 00:37:42.162 Differently than rewriting the story from a first person current 00:37:42.162 --> 00:37:45.622 day, I went back and I realized all those times those ghosts were 00:37:45.632 --> 00:37:48.306 going into the room- that was me. 00:37:48.522 --> 00:37:50.092 Gab: I was going to say that. 00:37:50.102 --> 00:37:50.482 I was gonna 00:37:50.482 --> 00:37:52.092 say, how do you know it wasn't you, 00:37:52.102 --> 00:37:52.172 Annie: it was me 00:37:52.182 --> 00:37:54.512 Gab: like, yeah, messing with the lights? 00:37:54.612 --> 00:37:55.552 I love that. 00:37:55.604 --> 00:37:56.464 Annie: It was me. 00:37:56.634 --> 00:37:58.274 I was like, " Touche, Annie. 00:37:58.294 --> 00:37:58.614 Touche." 00:37:59.944 --> 00:38:00.484 Yeah. 00:38:00.994 --> 00:38:04.814 And that's, that's when I really started to pay attention to the things 00:38:04.814 --> 00:38:09.324 that we're scared of, and how little we understand the metaphysical space. 00:38:10.324 --> 00:38:18.494 And when we do start to slow down and consider things from a greater, a zoomed 00:38:18.494 --> 00:38:22.704 out perspective, some of the things that are happening to us are things we 00:38:22.704 --> 00:38:26.034 agreed to, that, that are my own doing. 00:38:26.094 --> 00:38:30.574 I was scaring … I was giving my younger self a voice when she didn't have one. 00:38:30.696 --> 00:38:30.896 Jody: Mm-hmm. 00:38:31.896 --> 00:38:37.586 Annie: And if we can teach other people to build up their confidence 00:38:37.586 --> 00:38:41.106 and their self-esteem and their worthiness by showing them how much 00:38:41.116 --> 00:38:47.556 influence we can have in the timeline, it really changes how people show up 00:38:47.906 --> 00:38:51.356 as stewards of humanity in current day. 00:38:51.366 --> 00:38:56.436 And, and how, how much we need that in our society globally. 00:38:57.296 --> 00:39:02.356 How, how disconnected we feel, and how much more connected we feel to 00:39:02.356 --> 00:39:07.806 everyone around us, to the collective, to, to our community when we understand 00:39:07.806 --> 00:39:09.304 how connected we are to ourself. 00:39:10.346 --> 00:39:11.886 It changes how we make choices. 00:39:11.896 --> 00:39:15.876 It, it, it gives greater intention to what we do today 00:39:16.106 --> 00:39:17.576 for the future and for the past 00:39:18.576 --> 00:39:19.448 Gab: Oh yeah, absolutely. 00:39:20.146 --> 00:39:25.946 You have to almost like do that inner like shadow work to really be able to break 00:39:25.956 --> 00:39:28.876 through any kind of change in yourself. 00:39:29.956 --> 00:39:30.476 Annie: Yeah. 00:39:30.726 --> 00:39:33.406 So this is a prerequisite when I have clients that 00:39:33.406 --> 00:39:34.866 wanna go deep into paranormal. 00:39:35.566 --> 00:39:39.176 And I've got my Monday night group, they do galactic, alien, 00:39:39.276 --> 00:39:40.986 or extraterrestrial encounters. 00:39:41.906 --> 00:39:46.746 My Sunday is correcting injustices through Europe time, uh, US history. 00:39:47.246 --> 00:39:51.486 My Tuesday group, we've done a lot of, astral traveling to ancient times in 00:39:51.486 --> 00:39:57.676 Turkey and Italy and, uh, the regions of, of sort of ancient Christianity. 00:39:58.406 --> 00:40:00.416 It's always do the trauma work first. 00:40:00.616 --> 00:40:04.026 Always do the trauma work first, 'cause that'll give us the greatest 00:40:04.066 --> 00:40:08.166 understanding, and it, and it also gives us the greater respect from the 00:40:08.166 --> 00:40:12.666 sources that we're communicating with to really understand what's happening 00:40:13.666 --> 00:40:15.906 Gab: I know that you've mentioned the mural method. 00:40:16.466 --> 00:40:18.496 Would you be willing to explain that a little? 00:40:19.496 --> 00:40:19.996 Annie: Yeah. 00:40:20.506 --> 00:40:24.576 So the mural, what the mural does, when I take people up that 00:40:24.596 --> 00:40:27.376 elevator, and we can… I don't know how much time do we have. 00:40:27.406 --> 00:40:29.276 Do we have time to do a little five-minute, 10-minute? 00:40:30.290 --> 00:40:30.506 Gab: Yeah. 00:40:30.526 --> 00:40:30.916 Jody: Oh yeah 00:40:31.916 --> 00:40:36.316 Annie: So if, if you both want, we'll just go up to the, up the elevator to the 00:40:36.316 --> 00:40:37.796 black room, what is called the black room. 00:40:37.796 --> 00:40:41.436 That is the home base of everything I do on the advanced side. 00:40:42.196 --> 00:40:43.786 From there it, it'll branch out. 00:40:44.346 --> 00:40:47.796 So I want you to just feel what it feels like to go up the elevator 00:40:48.796 --> 00:40:49.086 Jody: Boy 00:40:49.290 --> 00:40:51.130 Annie: You can close your eyes, you can keep them open. 00:40:52.130 --> 00:40:54.030 But count up one to 30. 00:40:55.030 --> 00:40:57.930 And then when you hit 30 just let me know if your door's open or 00:40:57.930 --> 00:41:01.470 not And you can, you can count out loud, you can count to yourself, 00:41:02.080 --> 00:41:04.330 um, and start whenever you're ready 00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:07.145 Gab: I think my door is open. 00:41:08.189 --> 00:41:08.909 I don't know what that means 00:41:10.351 --> 00:41:10.651 Annie: Yeah. 00:41:11.161 --> 00:41:14.861 And if you don't, if you can't see as well, lean on your other 00:41:14.861 --> 00:41:18.795 senses of knowing, feeling And if your door opens, step off the 00:41:18.795 --> 00:41:20.295 elevator and go into the black room. 00:41:20.455 --> 00:41:24.825 And the black room can be for you, some people it's furnished, some people 00:41:24.825 --> 00:41:29.275 it's completely empty, some people it's open space and they're floating. 00:41:29.886 --> 00:41:33.706 Just let me know how your super conscious is presenting it to you 00:41:36.346 --> 00:41:37.486 Gab: Is your door open or closed? 00:41:38.544 --> 00:41:39.484 Jody: My, door is open. 00:41:40.196 --> 00:41:40.726 Gab: Okay 00:41:41.726 --> 00:41:43.366 Annie: Do the two of you entangle in your dreams? 00:41:43.366 --> 00:41:44.486 Do you show up in each other's dreams? 00:41:45.565 --> 00:41:48.916 Gab: we have had the same dream at some times. 00:41:49.186 --> 00:41:49.206 Annie: Yeah 00:41:50.807 --> 00:41:53.610 ' Cause I, normally when there's two people, I see two different channels, 00:41:53.630 --> 00:41:57.460 and the two of you are like inter- you're intertwining and it's like 00:41:57.850 --> 00:42:02.860 braiding as you're going up your, your Crossing over in each other's energy 00:42:03.700 --> 00:42:04.150 Gab: Yeah. 00:42:05.949 --> 00:42:07.134 My room is empty. 00:42:07.514 --> 00:42:08.724 It might have a chair. 00:42:09.736 --> 00:42:13.594 Jody: My room is my room is very, corporate 00:42:14.151 --> 00:42:14.781 Gab: Of course it is. 00:42:14.952 --> 00:42:15.947 Jody: there's there's 00:42:16.306 --> 00:42:16.356 Annie: I see it. 00:42:16.356 --> 00:42:16.806 An office. 00:42:17.424 --> 00:42:21.164 Jody: Fluorescent lights, uh, gray walls, black couches. 00:42:22.002 --> 00:42:22.262 Annie: Yeah 00:42:22.744 --> 00:42:23.644 Jody: That's what I'm seeing 00:42:24.644 --> 00:42:25.854 Annie: So this is the black room. 00:42:26.424 --> 00:42:29.944 And what, what usually happens is when someone goes to the 00:42:29.944 --> 00:42:33.484 black room, how they see it the first time, it'll stay that way. 00:42:33.494 --> 00:42:37.084 That's, that… The super conscious is determined, this is at our starting point. 00:42:38.084 --> 00:42:41.334 As we get more comfortable working in the black room, and sometimes we'll come 00:42:41.334 --> 00:42:45.314 off the elevator, a client will come off, and there's a deceased loved one, 00:42:46.024 --> 00:42:49.604 or there's a, an abusive parent, even if they're still alive, their essence is 00:42:49.604 --> 00:42:52.266 waiting for them, and that's the session. 00:42:53.354 --> 00:42:58.944 When you're ready to do timeline work, you will see a mural on the left side 00:42:58.944 --> 00:43:03.494 when you come off the elevator, somewhere on your left, a left wall, a left 00:43:03.494 --> 00:43:06.194 space, you'll see a mural that's blank. 00:43:07.194 --> 00:43:09.984 And that's our cue that we can put the image of what we 00:43:09.984 --> 00:43:12.514 wanna visit on that mural. 00:43:13.514 --> 00:43:14.764 Gab: So the weirdest thing 00:43:16.155 --> 00:43:17.728 my room seemed empty, 00:43:18.381 --> 00:43:18.668 Annie: Yeah 00:43:18.728 --> 00:43:23.010 Gab: but there, I thought it was a chair, but it was like this big, like, 00:43:23.010 --> 00:43:26.728 rectangle of like almost like a wall. 00:43:26.848 --> 00:43:27.048 Like, 00:43:27.088 --> 00:43:27.628 Annie: Like a portal? 00:43:27.628 --> 00:43:30.088 Gab: the wall was just like a big rectangle 00:43:30.128 --> 00:43:30.808 Jody: Was it a frame? 00:43:30.918 --> 00:43:33.978 Gab: and it was, like, highlighted in, like, like a light. 00:43:34.978 --> 00:43:35.658 Like, just 00:43:35.658 --> 00:43:38.898 like, like the side of a wall, like the portion of a wall, but 00:43:38.898 --> 00:43:40.138 everything else was, like, black 00:43:41.138 --> 00:43:42.688 Annie: When you walk, is it big enough to walk through? 00:43:43.532 --> 00:43:43.990 Gab: Yeah 00:43:44.990 --> 00:43:45.190 Annie: Okay. 00:43:45.550 --> 00:43:46.050 Let's do it. 00:43:46.100 --> 00:43:49.190 Let's, we're just gonna go in couple minutes, we'll come back out. 00:43:49.590 --> 00:43:49.866 Gab: Okay 00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:52.850 Annie: So what, what you're gonna do is go up to that wall. 00:43:52.910 --> 00:43:55.610 I want both hands on the wall, and I want you to tell me what you feel. 00:43:55.670 --> 00:43:56.790 Does it feel solid? 00:43:57.090 --> 00:43:59.040 Does it feel like hands going through water? 00:44:00.040 --> 00:44:01.010 What's the viscosity? 00:44:02.050 --> 00:44:06.886 Gab: It feels like very pliable, like I could easily just go through it 00:44:07.900 --> 00:44:08.340 Annie: I'm gonna come in. 00:44:08.340 --> 00:44:12.650 I'm tethering behind you, so I'm gonna anchor to you the same way 00:44:12.710 --> 00:44:17.320 a, a tandem skydive instructor would do with a new person. 00:44:17.690 --> 00:44:18.750 I'm gonna connect to you. 00:44:19.044 --> 00:44:19.424 Gab: Okay 00:44:20.424 --> 00:44:22.194 Annie: We're both gonna take three steps back. 00:44:22.204 --> 00:44:24.214 Take three natural steps back. 00:44:25.214 --> 00:44:28.624 And then when you're ready, you're gonna count out loud one, two, 00:44:28.724 --> 00:44:30.704 three, and each count is a step. 00:44:31.514 --> 00:44:33.664 When we hit three, you and I move through that wall 00:44:34.664 --> 00:44:34.990 Gab: Okay 00:44:35.974 --> 00:44:36.824 Annie: When you're ready, go. 00:44:37.560 --> 00:44:41.074 Gab: One, two, three 00:44:42.074 --> 00:44:47.874 Annie: Slowly, gently, safely we move through time to another point in time 00:44:48.874 --> 00:44:54.904 Slowly, gently, safely, we are arriving at a point in the timeline that has 00:44:54.924 --> 00:44:57.674 already occurred in your memory. 00:44:58.674 --> 00:45:05.164 We are coming in as observers to witness another version of you existing 00:45:05.164 --> 00:45:10.744 concurrently in time and space Take a deep breath in my breathing Breathing 00:45:10.744 --> 00:45:13.344 is gonna help your mind understand what is happening right now, 'cause I can 00:45:13.344 --> 00:45:20.374 feel there's a pause of, of, uh, wanting to understand before the next breath 00:45:21.374 --> 00:45:24.284 Something new that we're walking into. 00:45:25.134 --> 00:45:27.034 So what is the scene that we're walking into? 00:45:27.824 --> 00:45:30.524 Gab: It almost feels like it's like an open field 00:45:31.359 --> 00:45:31.554 Annie: Yep. 00:45:31.654 --> 00:45:32.014 Okay. 00:45:33.014 --> 00:45:34.284 Let's walk into that open field. 00:45:35.284 --> 00:45:38.854 When we come in, you and I are gonna disconnect from the tandem, 00:45:38.854 --> 00:45:40.334 but I'm gonna walk by your side. 00:45:41.334 --> 00:45:46.004 We're gonna walk through that field We're gonna stop Look around. 00:45:46.954 --> 00:45:47.624 What is familiar? 00:45:48.624 --> 00:45:50.434 Gab: I don't feel like I've been here before. 00:45:50.434 --> 00:45:55.784 It feels like it's like an open field with like lining it and 00:45:55.784 --> 00:45:57.888 there's some like wildflowers 00:45:58.994 --> 00:46:02.474 Annie: Take a few breaths Relax your eyes and look again 00:46:03.474 --> 00:46:04.315 Gab: No, it's gone 00:46:05.419 --> 00:46:05.999 Annie: Where are we now? 00:46:06.810 --> 00:46:07.639 Gab: Back in the room? 00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:09.239 Annie: In the black room? 00:46:09.327 --> 00:46:09.797 Gab: Yeah 00:46:10.797 --> 00:46:12.707 Annie: What did you feel in your body when we moved, uh, when 00:46:12.707 --> 00:46:13.547 we crossed through the mural? 00:46:14.547 --> 00:46:19.407 Gab: When I saw the green grass, I was like, "Oh, no." Because we had this 00:46:19.877 --> 00:46:24.062 experience with the shadow creature that we thought was like a certain 00:46:24.082 --> 00:46:25.612 entity that we were working with. 00:46:25.632 --> 00:46:30.314 And being in a green field would make so much sense for me because we did 00:46:30.314 --> 00:46:32.984 a meditation try to contact him. 00:46:33.014 --> 00:46:35.814 And that's where you go, is you go into an open field. 00:46:35.814 --> 00:46:39.687 And it's like, now walk through this like clearing in the 00:46:39.687 --> 00:46:41.927 woods, and he will come to you. 00:46:41.927 --> 00:46:44.217 And I was like, "Oh no, it's him." 00:46:45.217 --> 00:46:47.997 Annie: So it did take you back to a memory, a point in time. 00:46:48.653 --> 00:46:49.093 Gab: Yeah, yeah. 00:46:49.093 --> 00:46:49.103 Yeah. 00:46:49.827 --> 00:46:53.947 Annie: And I could feel your muscles tensing up, and I felt you not breathing. 00:46:53.947 --> 00:46:57.987 Like, your mind was like, "Do… What do… What, what?" There was 00:46:57.987 --> 00:46:59.757 the contradiction and a pause. 00:47:00.303 --> 00:47:00.616 Gab: Yeah 00:47:01.464 --> 00:47:05.024 Annie: If we wanted to go back to that mem- that moment when you were trying 00:47:05.024 --> 00:47:11.524 to connect, we would be able to go back into what you experienced as observers. 00:47:12.234 --> 00:47:18.404 And when I'm with you, I can help monitor what you're doing, your, your 00:47:18.404 --> 00:47:22.837 breathing, your heart rate, your nervous system, and that gives me a lot of 00:47:22.847 --> 00:47:27.677 cues in my body as to what's about to happen, and then I will also get 00:47:27.677 --> 00:47:31.087 guidance of what we're walking into. 00:47:32.087 --> 00:47:37.467 So if it's going back into a memory to help that younger version build 00:47:37.587 --> 00:47:43.097 resources and tools and have some support from outside the physical 00:47:43.097 --> 00:47:45.167 reality, that's how we would do it. 00:47:45.667 --> 00:47:49.667 In this case, this could be a way for me to participate with you in contacting that 00:47:49.707 --> 00:47:52.897 entity to understand what it really is. 00:47:53.537 --> 00:47:56.637 So even though we're back in the black room, I'm gonna have both of 00:47:56.637 --> 00:47:59.567 you come back down that elevator, and you do it the same way. 00:47:59.567 --> 00:48:04.877 You step into the elevator, let the doors close, count down 30 to one. 00:48:05.877 --> 00:48:08.767 If either one of you skip a number, start over. 00:48:09.497 --> 00:48:12.787 If you feel pressure that you're counting too fast, slow down. 00:48:12.787 --> 00:48:17.287 You'll feel an energetic resistance to the speed that you're counting. 00:48:17.887 --> 00:48:19.127 It'll force you to slow down. 00:48:20.127 --> 00:48:21.237 And then let me know when you're back 00:48:22.315 --> 00:48:22.748 Gab: I'm back. 00:48:22.906 --> 00:48:23.816 Jody: I'm back also 00:48:24.756 --> 00:48:25.896 Annie: Not disconnected from you yet. 00:48:25.896 --> 00:48:29.936 There's, there's still a, uh, there's a tension in breath that 00:48:29.936 --> 00:48:33.536 I'm waiting to relea- I'm waiting for that to release before I get the 00:48:33.536 --> 00:48:34.866 green light to disconnect from you. 00:48:35.706 --> 00:48:38.586 My energy is still connected, and I wanna wait so we have clean 00:48:39.586 --> 00:48:42.676 Did you notice anything going up the elevator or coming back down? 00:48:43.176 --> 00:48:45.776 Gab: I noticed going up I was like very quick to go up, 00:48:45.826 --> 00:48:47.924 but going down it was slower 00:48:48.966 --> 00:48:52.586 Annie: Do you normally do any meditation or any, uh, accessing 00:48:52.586 --> 00:48:53.696 higher states of consciousness? 00:48:54.586 --> 00:48:55.706 Psychedelics or 00:48:56.166 --> 00:49:00.206 Gab: Nothing consistent, but Jody more often than me. 00:49:01.208 --> 00:49:01.726 Jody: How do you mean? 00:49:02.424 --> 00:49:06.464 Gab: Like when you're doing an Estes session, you're- more experiencing 00:49:06.464 --> 00:49:07.704 an altered state than I am 00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:09.074 Jody: Yeah. 00:49:09.396 --> 00:49:09.768 Gab: Yeah 00:49:09.824 --> 00:49:12.204 Annie: Sometimes intense breathwork will activate it. 00:49:12.214 --> 00:49:14.184 Sometimes… Yeah. 00:49:15.064 --> 00:49:21.997 So the more familiar your mind is to things that exist outside of the current 00:49:21.997 --> 00:49:24.767 dropdown menu, the deeper we'll go. 00:49:25.477 --> 00:49:30.367 So it's, it's a slow, it's a crawl, walk, run of showing your nervous system 00:49:30.367 --> 00:49:34.937 that what we're, what I'm doing is safe, and letting your mind know it doesn't 00:49:34.947 --> 00:49:39.947 have to manage everything, that I can also supplement that management system. 00:49:40.934 --> 00:49:43.384 And so when the mind feels safe and the nervous system feels 00:49:43.384 --> 00:49:48.064 safe, we'll be able to, we can dive in really deep and explore. 00:49:49.064 --> 00:49:53.634 Whether we're exploring things into the, the paranormal space, or we're 00:49:53.634 --> 00:49:57.754 exploring traumas and suppressed memories, we're using the same pathways 00:49:58.034 --> 00:49:58.044 Jody: Hmm. 00:49:58.669 --> 00:50:01.269 Gab: I could see how that could be useful for trauma work. 00:50:01.269 --> 00:50:01.639 Yeah. 00:50:01.953 --> 00:50:02.593 That's really interesting. 00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:03.309 Annie: Yeah. 00:50:04.223 --> 00:50:08.223 And when I'm co-regulating with a nervous system, it, it really takes a lot of 00:50:08.223 --> 00:50:11.983 the stress off the nervous system to feel like it has to protect so hard. 00:50:12.503 --> 00:50:16.823 It can breathe and exhale and relax a little bit because I'm monitoring 00:50:16.823 --> 00:50:19.303 what's happening, and I will pull. 00:50:19.763 --> 00:50:23.013 So if we get into something really deep that's really scary, before we 00:50:23.013 --> 00:50:26.103 even get there, I'll have the heads up four seconds ahead, and I'll say, 00:50:26.103 --> 00:50:27.643 "Okay, we're walking into something. 00:50:28.233 --> 00:50:34.193 I'm going to increase my, my monitoring and my awareness, and if I feel like 00:50:34.193 --> 00:50:38.233 it's beyond what your nervous system would deem safe, I'm gonna pull us 00:50:38.243 --> 00:50:42.343 back." And just like what happened with you, you got to that moment, the 00:50:42.343 --> 00:50:46.583 black room pulls you back out. "Nope, we don't have enough time today. 00:50:47.023 --> 00:50:48.493 This isn't s- this isn't safe." 00:50:49.113 --> 00:50:51.973 But not in an unsafe way, like something bad's gonna happen, just an 00:50:51.983 --> 00:50:58.143 unsa- safe way for your nervous system to lower, to, like, go into a, a, a 00:50:58.203 --> 00:50:59.883 yellow zone instead of a green zone. 00:51:00.343 --> 00:51:04.273 Like, "Nope, we're gonna come back here for today," and it will bring you back. 00:51:04.923 --> 00:51:09.663 And the more your mind sees that of the adjustments being made, your 00:51:09.663 --> 00:51:12.853 nervous system feels safer, your mind feels safer, we go deeper. 00:51:13.853 --> 00:51:15.253 And we can do ancestral work. 00:51:16.253 --> 00:51:19.743 Sometimes I've got this spacecraft that sometimes we're on the paved 00:51:19.783 --> 00:51:25.093 path, and that paved path will start to lift the essence up, and that 00:51:25.093 --> 00:51:27.633 craft works and repairs meridians. 00:51:28.633 --> 00:51:33.583 So sort of like acupuncture, but if a meridian is really damaged, it will 00:51:33.583 --> 00:51:38.143 replace that energy line, and you'll get new energy lines to flow through 00:51:38.143 --> 00:51:40.103 your body, and then we come back. 00:51:40.103 --> 00:51:43.213 So there's different functions that are available off of the black room 00:51:44.213 --> 00:51:45.263 Gab: That is so interesting. 00:51:45.273 --> 00:51:45.699 Wow. 00:51:45.897 --> 00:51:48.517 Jody: It really does remind me a lot of, like, meditation. 00:51:48.743 --> 00:51:49.123 Gab: Yeah. 00:51:49.147 --> 00:51:49.397 Jody: Yeah. 00:51:49.417 --> 00:51:51.767 It's, it's like you're, you're guiding it. 00:51:51.767 --> 00:51:52.007 Annie: Yeah. 00:51:52.295 --> 00:51:52.543 Jody: Yeah. 00:51:52.543 --> 00:51:53.343 And it's interesting. 00:51:53.479 --> 00:51:54.069 Gab: It is. 00:51:55.266 --> 00:51:56.045 Annie: And i'm with you. 00:51:56.245 --> 00:51:57.565 There's no psychedelics required, 00:51:57.825 --> 00:51:58.615 no hypnosis required 00:51:58.958 --> 00:51:59.288 Jody: Yeah. 00:51:59.624 --> 00:51:59.794 Gab: And 00:51:59.794 --> 00:52:00.124 that was 00:52:00.124 --> 00:52:02.674 told to you, like, through another session? 00:52:02.981 --> 00:52:03.571 Wow. 00:52:03.787 --> 00:52:05.707 Annie: All of the modalities came through sessions. 00:52:05.947 --> 00:52:09.387 I, one time client and I showed up in the black room and it said, 00:52:09.387 --> 00:52:12.527 "Take them up the ancestral tree," just like with the mural method. 00:52:12.647 --> 00:52:14.007 What's the ancestral tree? 00:52:14.607 --> 00:52:17.807 Hi, Annie, we're gonna guide you, and this is gonna be yours to keep. 00:52:18.407 --> 00:52:22.187 And that was how … When we went to the ancestral tree, she had been 00:52:22.187 --> 00:52:27.857 sexually violated with incest, uh, experiences, and it was her grandfather. 00:52:28.857 --> 00:52:32.117 We started climbing up the tree, and the earpiece is saying, "Slow down. Let 00:52:32.117 --> 00:52:35.117 her hug the trunk first." We climb up. 00:52:35.917 --> 00:52:38.647 A branch is mother, a branch is father, and then each branch 00:52:38.827 --> 00:52:42.837 split into two, grandmother, grandfather, paternal and maternal. 00:52:43.547 --> 00:52:45.607 And we get to his branch, and I'm thinking, "Okay, we're 00:52:45.747 --> 00:52:47.097 coming in hot and heavy. 00:52:47.317 --> 00:52:52.297 We're gonna just plow this back at him." This was such a violation of 00:52:52.297 --> 00:52:57.447 her sense of safety. And as soon as we arrived at the branch, he says, 00:52:57.487 --> 00:53:03.517 "Oh, that's not yours," and he takes her pain. He said, "I am so sorry. 00:53:03.517 --> 00:53:04.947 That was never meant for you. 00:53:05.167 --> 00:53:09.157 That was never meant for you." And he took it, and he created a saddle over 00:53:09.157 --> 00:53:14.367 his branch, and he said, "This is m- this was my pain to ride, not yours." 00:53:15.327 --> 00:53:18.667 And it was, it was this, like, huge apology, and we thought we 00:53:18.667 --> 00:53:22.487 were gonna come in and, you know, we're, we're gonna dominate. 00:53:23.497 --> 00:53:24.377 That's not what happened. 00:53:25.167 --> 00:53:31.547 So gentle, sacred ancestral tree of honored hardships, that, that was the 00:53:31.547 --> 00:53:35.367 client where it just appeared, and it, and it's been available for everybody. 00:53:36.367 --> 00:53:40.857 Gab: That's so beautiful that he had, yeah, come through to 00:53:40.857 --> 00:53:42.097 say… Was he still living? 00:53:43.097 --> 00:53:44.437 Annie: No, no, he had long passed. 00:53:45.437 --> 00:53:50.427 And he had explained how his life was so horrid, and he had 00:53:50.427 --> 00:53:52.077 experienced sexual violation. 00:53:52.077 --> 00:53:54.237 And he s- he said to her, "I am so sorry. 00:53:54.237 --> 00:53:58.677 I, I, I couldn't help myself, and this is what happened to me. 00:53:59.047 --> 00:54:00.817 And, uh, this was never yours. 00:54:00.817 --> 00:54:04.737 This was never supposed to be yours." And it was just this apology, this 00:54:04.737 --> 00:54:11.427 really deep, uh, grieving apology of I am so sorry that I caused you this pain. 00:54:11.967 --> 00:54:16.417 And he, he took it, and it was, one, confusing, 'cause here's this individual 00:54:16.417 --> 00:54:18.587 that's had this rage against this human. 00:54:19.587 --> 00:54:23.007 So it, there was this cognitive dissonance of, no, we hate him, and 00:54:23.007 --> 00:54:27.777 yet there's this deep vibrational love coming from him as we're in the scene. 00:54:28.537 --> 00:54:33.807 And he explained to her how he was not apologizing so much for what he did. 00:54:33.807 --> 00:54:36.587 He understood what he did was horrid, hor- horrific. 00:54:37.587 --> 00:54:41.657 But he said, "Please understand, I couldn't help myself, and that's not an 00:54:41.657 --> 00:54:48.607 excuse. It was my own, my own traumas were out of… They were just out of 00:54:48.607 --> 00:54:53.987 control, and I didn't know how to handle it, and I didn't know who to go to for 00:54:53.987 --> 00:54:58.437 help. And I didn't have resources, and this should never have been yours." 00:54:58.947 --> 00:55:05.117 And it was this, like, I'm crying, she's crying, and I'm realizing how we inherit 00:55:05.117 --> 00:55:13.167 trauma and how when indigenous tribes honor their ancestors, how when we honor 00:55:13.167 --> 00:55:18.967 the ancestors when they're living, if they are growing up in this state of, of honor, 00:55:19.947 --> 00:55:25.337 how they feel more supported to not have the traumas that bleed on other people. 00:55:26.337 --> 00:55:30.882 And we also don't carry it down epigenetically to our children and 00:55:30.882 --> 00:55:37.422 grandchildren through our behaviors and through our, our, uh, genetic inheritance. 00:55:38.422 --> 00:55:43.982 So it really opened my eyes up to how trauma… My, my ears are going. 00:55:44.982 --> 00:55:48.752 How trauma isn't just us in this moment. 00:55:49.292 --> 00:55:53.032 It is a history of us, the whole tree. 00:55:53.292 --> 00:55:57.862 And then as we have children, our tree trunk comes up and becomes the branch, 00:55:58.702 --> 00:56:00.942 and their, they have their trunk. 00:56:01.472 --> 00:56:03.592 And then we become a part of their history. 00:56:04.542 --> 00:56:11.092 And so the intention of understanding this, this space, it's hard not 00:56:11.092 --> 00:56:15.042 to walk with intention when you understand when every step has a ripple 00:56:15.590 --> 00:56:15.870 Jody: Mm-hmm. 00:56:16.403 --> 00:56:17.693 Gab: Yeah, that's so profound. 00:56:17.703 --> 00:56:21.760 I love that that's kind of the stuff that I, that really interests me, right? 00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:26.210 I, I worked in child welfare for a number of years, and I 00:56:26.220 --> 00:56:28.350 learned through that about ACEs. 00:56:28.970 --> 00:56:29.370 adverse 00:56:29.370 --> 00:56:30.990 childhood experiences. 00:56:31.650 --> 00:56:37.720 And I was like, " this is so interesting to me." And I just kind of like fell down 00:56:37.730 --> 00:56:42.560 into this rabbit hole of really exploring what, what it was and how it affects 00:56:42.570 --> 00:56:49.970 people and, like generationally, but also like physically it, it affects you. 00:56:50.500 --> 00:56:55.420 And it, just the things that you have talked about, like the ancestral tree, 00:56:55.460 --> 00:56:59.740 I feel like could really help people who have had, who have like a high ACEs 00:56:59.750 --> 00:57:03.520 score to help work through that trauma that they've experienced in their lives. 00:57:04.540 --> 00:57:06.180 Annie: in diseases and disorders. 00:57:06.680 --> 00:57:11.950 When we look at individuals with ADHD, very often we find grandparents 00:57:11.950 --> 00:57:13.950 with addiction, alcoholism. 00:57:14.370 --> 00:57:19.230 Very often, because our grandparents, our grandmother when she's pregnant 00:57:19.230 --> 00:57:23.740 with our mom, our mom develops the, the eggs that fertilize us. 00:57:23.750 --> 00:57:28.210 So what happens to grandma gets shared, and sometimes it skips. 00:57:28.450 --> 00:57:31.480 It skips the fetus and goes straight to the, to the egg. 00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:35.680 And vice versa w- uh, I shouldn't say vice versa, but a- also with 00:57:35.680 --> 00:57:43.970 men in the inheritance, in the sharing of DNA, we can inherit trauma 00:57:44.270 --> 00:57:46.440 that doesn't come to us as trauma. 00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:49.140 It comes to us as physical disease. 00:57:50.060 --> 00:57:54.670 So when I look at fibromyalgia, very often there's a parent that has fibromyalgia. 00:57:54.970 --> 00:57:57.930 When we follow that trail, there's chronic complex grief. 00:57:58.600 --> 00:58:04.523 When we're looking at, like ADHD, when we look at, hysterectomies, when someone 00:58:04.523 --> 00:58:08.303 says to me, "Hey, I'm about to have a hysterectomy," I start asking questions. 00:58:08.523 --> 00:58:10.673 Did grandma feel sexually safe in her life? 00:58:11.393 --> 00:58:14.513 Was there any sexual violation that got handed down? 00:58:14.533 --> 00:58:17.893 'Cause sometimes we're paying the penalty and interest for our 00:58:17.893 --> 00:58:24.073 ancestors' inability or, uh, lack of access to heal their own traumas. 00:58:24.573 --> 00:58:28.363 That gets handed down, and then our body pays the toll even 00:58:28.363 --> 00:58:29.763 though it wasn't our experience. 00:58:30.523 --> 00:58:30.803 Gab: Yeah 00:58:30.803 --> 00:58:35.273 Annie: So we have to zoom out metaphysically, which is why I choose 00:58:35.273 --> 00:58:37.183 to be a metaphysical trauma researcher. 00:58:38.183 --> 00:58:40.143 It's not trauma that happens in the metaphysical space. 00:58:40.143 --> 00:58:45.186 It's using metaphysical function, metaphysical tools and modalities 00:58:45.836 --> 00:58:49.316 to look at a bigger picture and understand trauma from a much wider 00:58:49.316 --> 00:58:54.956 lens, and to be a stronger container to handle not just healing self, 00:58:54.996 --> 00:59:00.256 but healing mom, and grandpa, and great-grandpa in one container. 00:59:01.256 --> 00:59:07.736 So it's a much larger understanding of trauma and healing, and it's 00:59:07.736 --> 00:59:11.246 a much greater understanding of how everything ripples and how a 00:59:11.246 --> 00:59:15.466 society can pay the toll for trauma that existed two generations ago 00:59:16.422 --> 00:59:17.592 Gab: Oh yeah, absolutely. 00:59:18.592 --> 00:59:21.012 This has been such an interesting conversation. 00:59:21.532 --> 00:59:24.972 I'm so happy that we chose to have this conversation with you. 00:59:24.972 --> 00:59:25.152 I 00:59:25.254 --> 00:59:27.554 Jody: I am out of my wheelhouse on this one, I gotta admit. 00:59:27.558 --> 00:59:27.728 Annie: Yeah. 00:59:28.728 --> 00:59:30.068 I mean, we can talk about ghosts too. 00:59:30.068 --> 00:59:30.948 We can go back to that 00:59:32.504 --> 00:59:34.144 Jody: I told her actually before this interview. 00:59:34.144 --> 00:59:34.164 Yeah. 00:59:34.164 --> 00:59:36.164 I said, "This is, this is gonna be you. You're the one 00:59:36.164 --> 00:59:37.434 with the psychology degree." 00:59:37.500 --> 00:59:37.800 Gab: Yeah. 00:59:37.834 --> 00:59:40.700 Jody: uh, you know, you're gonna fit a lot better than I would in this conversation. 00:59:41.669 --> 00:59:45.699 Annie: we don't understand, we don't understand our consequences. 00:59:46.522 --> 00:59:51.072 A couple years ago, about a year and a half ago, two years ago, I would be 00:59:51.072 --> 00:59:56.802 walking on this trail near my house, and there's a big metal fence to keep 00:59:57.062 --> 00:59:58.712 people from going onto the train tracks. 00:59:59.712 --> 01:00:01.792 And there's a normal, like, wind hits the fence and it makes 01:00:01.792 --> 01:00:03.142 a little bit of a ding noise. 01:00:03.312 --> 01:00:05.042 A little, like, tink-tink. 01:00:05.042 --> 01:00:11.312 But I would walk with my friend, who as sh- the, the one that the 01:00:11.312 --> 01:00:15.462 council of nine came in, and she was vibrating, and that was our that was 01:00:15.462 --> 01:00:17.472 my first encounter with the council. 01:00:18.182 --> 01:00:22.732 When I would go for a walk with her, there would be this bang, a, a big 01:00:22.742 --> 01:00:25.822 bang as if someone had a bat and they were hitting the metal fence. 01:00:26.592 --> 01:00:28.082 Wham, bam. 01:00:29.082 --> 01:00:36.882 So we stopped one time because it was just getting so loud, and the entity was a, 01:00:36.932 --> 01:00:41.542 it had a tail, not quite a lizard, but it had a tail, and it was big energetically. 01:00:41.972 --> 01:00:44.792 So I don't see as much as it's more like sonar. 01:00:44.792 --> 01:00:47.782 It'll come to me in a picture, but I'm not seeing them clairvoyantly. 01:00:48.782 --> 01:00:54.582 And it was a male, and he said, "We know you can't solve all of this, but we 01:00:54.582 --> 01:01:01.662 need, we need to con- have a connection, a, um, to connect and make contact with 01:01:01.672 --> 01:01:07.842 humans because your anxiety, your fear as a society is affecting our species. 01:01:08.272 --> 01:01:10.712 And because we vibrate higher, you don't see us. 01:01:11.472 --> 01:01:16.692 But that vibration is impacting the well-being of our species." And, and 01:01:16.692 --> 01:01:20.562 they exist on Earth, they cohabitate, but they're at a different vibration. 01:01:21.562 --> 01:01:27.652 And that, that was really sad 'cause it was this feeling of, "Well, I don't 01:01:27.652 --> 01:01:34.132 know how to fix this." I see it, too, and I don't know how to relay this to 01:01:34.132 --> 01:01:41.622 the people that have authority to be a part of raising the vibration, of 01:01:41.812 --> 01:01:48.002 coming out of fear and grief and anger, how to be in a more peaceful state so 01:01:48.002 --> 01:01:53.532 that it's not injuring other species that are cohabitating on this planet. 01:01:54.532 --> 01:01:57.462 And because they can't be seen, it can't be validated, therefore science 01:01:57.462 --> 01:02:01.152 doesn't accept it, and yet that doesn't mean there's not a consequence 01:02:01.152 --> 01:02:05.552 to everything else that lives on this planet, too, seen and unseen. 01:02:06.392 --> 01:02:09.152 So trauma, trauma ripples in, in many different ways 01:02:09.702 --> 01:02:10.782 Gab: Oh yeah, absolutely. 01:02:11.032 --> 01:02:15.382 I never considered the way that our trauma would affect other species on the planet. 01:02:15.402 --> 01:02:17.432 That's really, that's an interesting theory. 01:02:17.532 --> 01:02:18.822 I really… That's really 01:02:19.882 --> 01:02:21.522 Annie: Think about what happens with pets in our home. 01:02:22.003 --> 01:02:25.162 How many people that are really heavy in trauma that are not working through 01:02:25.162 --> 01:02:30.983 their trauma have dogs and, and cats that have unexplainable cancers or 01:02:31.042 --> 01:02:33.103 unexplainable diseases and ailments? 01:02:33.442 --> 01:02:37.681 Or they have They die early over and over again. 01:02:37.741 --> 01:02:41.661 I had a neighbor, her cats would die, like, around the six to 01:02:41.702 --> 01:02:44.781 eight-year mark, and I couldn't understand what was going on. 01:02:44.801 --> 01:02:48.481 And then I realized her heavy smoking and her trauma and her in- 01:02:48.741 --> 01:02:53.361 her anxiety, the cat was taking it on, and they were getting so full, 01:02:53.421 --> 01:02:55.341 they were not living a full life. 01:02:56.341 --> 01:02:58.702 And then I started … And that's one of the chapters in my upcoming 01:02:58.742 --> 01:03:03.001 book, is how, how are our pets are a reflection of our nervous system? 01:03:03.042 --> 01:03:07.021 So even if we can't see it in a paranormal way, we can at least see 01:03:07.062 --> 01:03:08.890 it physically within our own pets. 01:03:10.001 --> 01:03:12.721 How many adults that are on Prozac that have dogs on Prozac? 01:03:12.921 --> 01:03:18.621 How many adults that are on, uh, you know, uh, anxiety medication have dogs on CBD? 01:03:18.942 --> 01:03:21.021 There, there's usually a correlation there. 01:03:21.521 --> 01:03:23.021 Uh, not always, not always. 01:03:23.061 --> 01:03:24.830 It's not a- an absolute statement. 01:03:25.661 --> 01:03:29.721 But very often we've got a relationship happening. 01:03:29.761 --> 01:03:33.121 So if we can't see it in the grander way, we can at least see it in our own home 01:03:34.080 --> 01:03:35.940 Jody: With pets, it, it's funny you mention that. 01:03:35.950 --> 01:03:39.610 Uh, the way I see it is, your pets, they always know when 01:03:39.610 --> 01:03:40.910 something's wrong, right? 01:03:40.950 --> 01:03:45.176 They always know when you're not feeling well, when you're in a bad mood, whatever. 01:03:45.810 --> 01:03:47.820 And I always thought that was interesting because what they're, what they're 01:03:47.820 --> 01:03:51.590 actually doing is they can't communicate with you the way that you communicate 01:03:51.590 --> 01:03:53.600 with other humans through language. 01:03:55.050 --> 01:04:00.280 So they are communicating by basically picking everything up 01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:01.400 that you're putting out there. 01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:02.960 Annie: Yeah. 01:04:03.036 --> 01:04:03.506 Jody: You know? 01:04:03.546 --> 01:04:04.786 And they're reacting to that. 01:04:05.286 --> 01:04:05.646 Gab: Yeah. 01:04:05.666 --> 01:04:06.386 And absorbing it. 01:04:06.396 --> 01:04:07.326 Jody: And absorbing it. 01:04:07.336 --> 01:04:07.666 Yeah 01:04:08.032 --> 01:04:08.462 Annie: Yeah. 01:04:09.072 --> 01:04:10.112 As an act of love. 01:04:10.332 --> 01:04:12.952 Like, an act of loyalty is I will take this from you. 01:04:13.952 --> 01:04:19.112 And if the individual, the pet owner is not the alpha in the home, that 01:04:19.112 --> 01:04:24.122 pet will be the alpha and think it's their job to co-regulate their person 01:04:24.484 --> 01:04:27.017 Jody: Yeah, that's why the dog's always all over you when you're sick. 01:04:27.017 --> 01:04:27.797 Annie: Trauma first. 01:04:28.737 --> 01:04:29.637 Trauma first. 01:04:30.067 --> 01:04:34.857 We gotta, if we heal our trauma, so many other things heal themselves. 01:04:35.227 --> 01:04:39.387 The, the symptoms, the secondary symptoms are alleviated when 01:04:39.397 --> 01:04:41.537 we reconnect mind and body 01:04:42.537 --> 01:04:43.737 Gab: So you mentioned your book. 01:04:43.747 --> 01:04:45.147 What is the name of your book? 01:04:46.147 --> 01:04:48.087 Annie: Trauma Whispers Before It Roars. 01:04:48.859 --> 01:04:49.317 Gab: I love that-name. 01:04:49.367 --> 01:04:51.007 Annie: And it's a field manual for the nervous system 01:04:52.010 --> 01:04:52.847 Gab: And when does it come out? 01:04:53.847 --> 01:04:54.357 Annie: August 12th 01:04:55.245 --> 01:04:55.635 Gab: Okay. 01:04:55.635 --> 01:04:56.615 Oh, that's so soon. 01:04:57.615 --> 01:04:58.625 Annie: Mm-hmm. 01:04:58.635 --> 01:05:01.945 Yeah, if, it'll, by the time this goes live it'll be on pre-sale 01:05:02.945 --> 01:05:05.005 Gab: And where will people be able to find your book? 01:05:06.005 --> 01:05:07.077 Annie: Amazon first. 01:05:07.855 --> 01:05:11.685 And then it will roll either 30 or 60 days after Amazon it will be on 01:05:11.685 --> 01:05:16.192 Barnes & Noble and in the indie group, in the indie bookstores that pick it up 01:05:16.616 --> 01:05:17.436 Gab: Oh, that's awesome. 01:05:18.779 --> 01:05:20.506 This has been a really great conversation. 01:05:20.506 --> 01:05:21.514 Thank you so much. 01:05:22.128 --> 01:05:22.168 Jody: Yeah. 01:05:22.168 --> 01:05:22.308 Thank you. 01:05:22.308 --> 01:05:22.578 I appreciate you coming on. 01:05:22.724 --> 01:05:23.384 Annie: You're welcome 01:05:24.016 --> 01:05:25.686 Gab: yeah, I appreciate your time with us today. 01:05:25.686 --> 01:05:26.644 Thank you so much. 01:05:27.533 --> 01:05:29.423 Well, that was an enlightening episode. 01:05:29.718 --> 01:05:30.174 Jody: Yeah. 01:05:30.198 --> 01:05:32.118 Gab: I really enjoyed our conversation with Annie. 01:05:32.723 --> 01:05:33.168 Jody: Yeah. 01:05:33.258 --> 01:05:33.528 Yeah. 01:05:33.528 --> 01:05:35.808 Different perspectives, you know what-I-mean It's, nice to talk 01:05:35.808 --> 01:05:38.896 about stuff that you know, we're not really used to, I guess 01:05:38.979 --> 01:05:44.049 Gab: Yeah, it was nice to step into her world and see how she has made this role 01:05:44.049 --> 01:05:46.629 her own and what she brings to the table 01:05:47.513 --> 01:05:48.967 Jody: through a meta, a physical lens. 01:05:49.179 --> 01:05:50.637 Gab: Yeah, it was fantastic. 01:05:51.123 --> 01:05:52.780 I hope you all enjoyed listening. 01:05:53.980 --> 01:05:56.182 Jody: So, uh, where could everybody find us? 01:05:56.490 --> 01:05:57.150 Gab: Podcastoftheparanormal.com 01:05:59.310 --> 01:06:01.290 Jody: That's our central hub that's got everything on it. 01:06:01.290 --> 01:06:02.880 It's got link to our social media. 01:06:03.206 --> 01:06:06.673 You could listen to our episodes on there, and it's got links to all of the 01:06:06.962 --> 01:06:09.102 podcast platforms that we run the show on. 01:06:09.467 --> 01:06:09.971 Gab: Yes. 01:06:10.898 --> 01:06:11.719 Jody: So next time 01:06:12.255 --> 01:06:15.915 Gab: we will have Paul from Haunted Vermont coming on. 01:06:16.050 --> 01:06:16.320 Jody: Yep. 01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:19.050 And he comes in and he talks about a few experiences he's had. 01:06:19.923 --> 01:06:23.204 You've heard Paul before, we've, we've had him on, an episode a, collab 01:06:23.214 --> 01:06:25.884 with Haunted Vermont and, VSUSAlien. 01:06:26.564 --> 01:06:29.299 So we've been trying to get Paul on here for a while 01:06:29.589 --> 01:06:30.184 Gab: Finally got him 01:06:31.278 --> 01:06:32.478 Jody: And Paul's a wealth of knowledge. 01:06:32.478 --> 01:06:35.008 So, I think y'all will be pleased to hear what he has to say. 01:06:35.008 --> 01:06:35.218 Yeah. 01:06:35.233 --> 01:06:35.368 Gab: Yeah. 01:06:35.713 --> 01:06:36.460 Paul's a lot of fun. 01:06:36.958 --> 01:06:37.888 Until next time. 01:06:38.315 --> 01:06:39.172 Thank you everyone.