WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:01.680 --> 00:00:04.530 Intro: There is nothing wrong with your podcast streaming service. 00:00:05.010 --> 00:00:06.390 We now control your device. 00:00:07.050 --> 00:00:08.310 This is not a test. 00:00:08.430 --> 00:00:10.500 This is podcast of the paranormal. 00:00:10.860 --> 00:00:13.560 Close your curtains and stay away from your windows. 00:00:13.890 --> 00:00:14.970 Lock your doors. 00:00:15.060 --> 00:00:16.260 Turn off your lights. 00:00:16.560 --> 00:00:18.360 Get your snacks and drinks ready. 00:00:18.630 --> 00:00:20.490 Get to your basement or attic. 00:00:20.970 --> 00:00:23.130 The podcast is about to begin. 00:00:28.454 --> 00:00:30.559 Gab: Today we're recording something a little different. 00:00:31.059 --> 00:00:35.109 We're not sure if this will ever make it to an official episode, 00:00:35.619 --> 00:00:39.829 but we said that we wanted to sit down, have a conversation. 00:00:40.329 --> 00:00:43.479 What did we see for the future of the podcast? 00:00:43.979 --> 00:00:50.225 And to put some thoughts down about our feelings on the paranormal. 00:00:50.725 --> 00:00:53.094 Jody: Uh, so this is a, this is a mixed bag huh? 00:00:54.344 --> 00:00:56.614 Gab: More of a candid conversation. 00:00:57.110 --> 00:00:59.210 Jody: I'd like to start with, the podcast end of it. 00:00:59.240 --> 00:00:59.750 Is that cool? 00:00:59.870 --> 00:01:00.230 Gab: Yeah. 00:01:00.730 --> 00:01:02.478 Jody: So what's it like running a podcast? 00:01:03.150 --> 00:01:03.870 Gab: Difficult. 00:01:04.371 --> 00:01:07.340 A challenge while working a full-time job. 00:01:07.714 --> 00:01:08.219 Jody: Yeah. 00:01:08.299 --> 00:01:10.337 Gab: More for you, I think than me. 00:01:10.587 --> 00:01:10.807 Jody: Why? 00:01:10.807 --> 00:01:11.167 For me, 00:01:11.507 --> 00:01:12.674 Gab: because you're the one who has to edit. 00:01:13.187 --> 00:01:14.947 Jody: You come up with a lot of the content. 00:01:15.172 --> 00:01:15.742 Gab: Yeah. 00:01:15.742 --> 00:01:18.833 But I mean, I feel like takes me less time to do that than it 00:01:18.833 --> 00:01:20.453 does for you to edit an episode. 00:01:20.953 --> 00:01:21.433 Jody: Yeah. 00:01:21.957 --> 00:01:23.673 I mean, I like our audio to sound good. 00:01:24.173 --> 00:01:24.443 Gab: Right. 00:01:24.943 --> 00:01:27.048 Jody: And I'm very into the manual editing stuff. 00:01:27.548 --> 00:01:29.228 And I avoid AI where I can. 00:01:29.728 --> 00:01:30.208 Gab: Yeah. 00:01:30.711 --> 00:01:32.638 Jody: So we have editing plugins, 00:01:33.138 --> 00:01:33.858 Gab: what do you mean? 00:01:34.358 --> 00:01:36.235 Jody: Like the, audio editing software. 00:01:36.545 --> 00:01:36.965 Gab: Okay. 00:01:37.115 --> 00:01:39.418 Jody: If it's plugin based, that's like, you know, like software 00:01:39.418 --> 00:01:40.865 noise reduction, stuff like that. 00:01:41.365 --> 00:01:44.728 You know adjusting the EQ, making it sound right, making it 00:01:44.728 --> 00:01:45.868 sound the way I want it to sound. 00:01:46.091 --> 00:01:46.861 I'm all for that. 00:01:47.327 --> 00:01:48.877 I really don't like the AI stuff. 00:01:49.217 --> 00:01:49.617 Gab: Right. 00:01:49.677 --> 00:01:50.477 Jody: I know it's inevitable. 00:01:50.717 --> 00:01:51.987 I'm going to use it eventually. 00:01:52.017 --> 00:01:52.837 I just, I know it. 00:01:53.244 --> 00:01:53.474 Gab: Yeah. 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:56.177 Jody: But lot of the auto editing features and the filler word 00:01:56.177 --> 00:01:57.737 removal stuff, it just doesn't work. 00:01:57.737 --> 00:01:57.917 Right. 00:01:57.917 --> 00:02:01.190 It doesn't piece the, the way a person speaks together properly. 00:02:01.190 --> 00:02:02.450 Like the cadence is all off. 00:02:02.450 --> 00:02:03.450 It kind of drives me nuts. 00:02:03.500 --> 00:02:03.980 Gab: Yeah. 00:02:04.270 --> 00:02:08.847 Jody: So I very much do, you know, other than noise reduction, eq, which 00:02:08.847 --> 00:02:12.207 is highly, you know, automatic at this point, I kind of manually edit. 00:02:12.707 --> 00:02:14.087 So like all that microphone bleed. 00:02:14.454 --> 00:02:17.454 ' cause we're sitting literally across you know, the table from each other. 00:02:17.954 --> 00:02:22.414 Your microphone picks up me speaking and my microphone sort of does the same thing. 00:02:22.414 --> 00:02:24.289 So there's a lot of manual editing I have to do there. 00:02:24.339 --> 00:02:24.349 Right. 00:02:24.375 --> 00:02:24.829 Gab: Right. 00:02:25.197 --> 00:02:28.317 What are some other thoughts that you have about the podcast? 00:02:28.817 --> 00:02:31.797 Jody: It's just a lot of work trying to get people to listen. 00:02:32.094 --> 00:02:35.094 You know, we're finding out that we're doing shows now to try to get some, uh, 00:02:35.594 --> 00:02:36.824 you know, to get some my balls on it. 00:02:37.169 --> 00:02:38.519 Gab: Does that even help though? 00:02:38.654 --> 00:02:39.487 Jody: I don't think so 00:02:40.366 --> 00:02:43.247 I feel like it doesn't, I feel like if you wanna get the show out there, 00:02:43.337 --> 00:02:45.437 you're constantly fighting the algorithm. 00:02:45.770 --> 00:02:46.130 Gab: Right. 00:02:46.635 --> 00:02:48.790 Jody: You know, if you're not a celebrity or you're not, one of 00:02:48.790 --> 00:02:50.920 the top 100 podcasters, whatever. 00:02:51.887 --> 00:02:53.394 You're not gonna get a lot of, views. 00:02:53.394 --> 00:02:54.519 Listens, whatever you wanna call it. 00:02:55.085 --> 00:02:56.015 And It's frustrating 00:02:56.531 --> 00:02:56.690 Gab: It is 00:02:56.699 --> 00:02:57.995 Jody: Because it, it's a lot of work. 00:02:58.245 --> 00:03:02.305 A one hour episode takes me roughly five or six hours to edit Yeah. 00:03:02.395 --> 00:03:03.715 To make it sound the way I want it to. 00:03:04.215 --> 00:03:04.455 So, 00:03:04.455 --> 00:03:06.045 and we're not doing this to make money. 00:03:06.359 --> 00:03:09.529 You know, we're, we're doing this because the subject material 00:03:09.529 --> 00:03:10.719 is something that we enjoy, you 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:11.139 know what I mean? 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:11.499 Gab: Right 00:03:11.509 --> 00:03:12.452 Jody: It's a hobby for us. 00:03:12.559 --> 00:03:15.639 So we thought, Hey, let's put a podcast together. 00:03:15.892 --> 00:03:16.522 Gab: It's a hobby. 00:03:16.522 --> 00:03:18.472 It helps us expand our knowledge. 00:03:18.772 --> 00:03:22.912 Jody: It really does, because what you find yourself doing is you more than, 00:03:22.972 --> 00:03:26.429 than I you're, you're doing a lot more research into this subject matter. 00:03:26.700 --> 00:03:27.024 Gab: Right. 00:03:27.300 --> 00:03:29.014 Jody: Because you have to, put content out. 00:03:29.014 --> 00:03:29.284 Right. 00:03:29.374 --> 00:03:33.064 We're a biweekly podcast, so we're doing, we're doing a show every two weeks. 00:03:33.494 --> 00:03:33.634 Gab: u 00:03:33.899 --> 00:03:34.229 Jody: You know, 00:03:34.409 --> 00:03:36.354 Gab: Is it something you want to continue? 00:03:36.541 --> 00:03:37.050 Jody: Yes. 00:03:37.550 --> 00:03:37.937 Gab: Okay. 00:03:38.317 --> 00:03:40.982 Jody: I mean, it's something I enjoy the, I do enjoy the editing. 00:03:40.982 --> 00:03:41.702 I don't know why. 00:03:41.762 --> 00:03:43.082 It's just how my brain works. 00:03:43.082 --> 00:03:43.202 Gab: Yeah. 00:03:43.702 --> 00:03:45.662 Jody: it reminds me of my professional job. 00:03:46.167 --> 00:03:46.457 Gab: Okay. 00:03:46.957 --> 00:03:48.307 Jody: You know, so it works. 00:03:48.307 --> 00:03:49.537 I'm in that mindset already. 00:03:49.537 --> 00:03:52.077 It's, the two are very synonymous. 00:03:52.577 --> 00:03:52.967 Gab: Yeah. 00:03:53.467 --> 00:03:54.997 Jody: So it's something familiar to me. 00:03:54.997 --> 00:03:56.017 It's something I know I could do 00:03:56.017 --> 00:03:56.107 Gab: Right. 00:03:57.131 --> 00:03:57.707 Jody: From an editing 00:03:58.247 --> 00:03:58.427 Gab: Yeah. 00:03:58.427 --> 00:03:58.648 Anyway. 00:03:58.997 --> 00:03:59.297 Jody: Yeah. 00:03:59.797 --> 00:04:01.162 I mean, there's still a lot to learn. 00:04:01.772 --> 00:04:03.852 Audio licensing is a pain in the ass. 00:04:04.502 --> 00:04:04.902 Gab: Right. 00:04:05.309 --> 00:04:08.532 Jody: You know, you have to make sure that you are paying for, either 00:04:08.532 --> 00:04:12.145 an editing service or a. You know, like a licensing plan for the audio, 00:04:12.145 --> 00:04:13.405 which we don't really use a lot of. 00:04:13.405 --> 00:04:17.565 We have like our intro and our outro and some transitions, but 00:04:17.565 --> 00:04:20.510 sometimes we like to do like some fun stuff like our holiday episode. 00:04:20.870 --> 00:04:22.070 I had a lot of fun editing that. 00:04:22.355 --> 00:04:22.745 Gab: Yeah. 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:24.107 Jody: all the background music in. 00:04:24.554 --> 00:04:25.247 Gab: That was fun. 00:04:25.537 --> 00:04:27.544 Jody: Personally, I don't think it's important to have 00:04:27.544 --> 00:04:28.654 the background music going. 00:04:28.654 --> 00:04:29.404 It's just something. 00:04:29.495 --> 00:04:32.019 Fun and festive specifically for the holiday episode. 00:04:32.346 --> 00:04:35.592 Like, you know, I'll throw in like a, a sound effect, like a record 00:04:35.592 --> 00:04:36.642 scratch or something like that. 00:04:36.942 --> 00:04:37.122 Gab: Right. 00:04:37.122 --> 00:04:39.762 Jody: I'm sitting there listening to the episode when I'm editing it, and 00:04:39.762 --> 00:04:42.822 when I think it's get kind of dry and, you know, boring, I'll do something 00:04:42.822 --> 00:04:44.082 like I'll add a sound effect in 00:04:44.382 --> 00:04:44.772 Gab: Yeah. 00:04:45.272 --> 00:04:45.562 Yeah. 00:04:46.062 --> 00:04:46.182 Jody: You 00:04:46.227 --> 00:04:46.347 know? 00:04:46.847 --> 00:04:46.967 Yeah. 00:04:46.967 --> 00:04:47.267 I don't know. 00:04:47.267 --> 00:04:48.823 It's just, it's just a lot of work. 00:04:49.034 --> 00:04:49.441 Gab: It is. 00:04:49.807 --> 00:04:52.310 What else are your thoughts on the podcast? 00:04:52.810 --> 00:04:55.179 Jody: I would just like some feedback, honestly. 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:56.160 Gab: Yeah. 00:04:56.370 --> 00:04:58.440 Jody: You know, we, we have some, but not a lot. 00:04:58.940 --> 00:04:59.360 Gab: Yeah. 00:04:59.860 --> 00:05:02.800 Jody: But social media is just a, it's like a black hole. 00:05:02.865 --> 00:05:03.839 Gab: It really is. 00:05:04.122 --> 00:05:05.067 Jody: I mean, you can post 00:05:05.577 --> 00:05:06.927 and get a thousand views. 00:05:07.220 --> 00:05:11.187 But you know, if you're not getting the follows and the likes and the engagement. 00:05:11.467 --> 00:05:13.957 Gab: Well, even if you are getting the follows and the likes, it's about 00:05:13.957 --> 00:05:15.738 people listening to the podcast. 00:05:16.248 --> 00:05:21.378 maybe we need to change the content in a way that relates to the podcast. 00:05:21.668 --> 00:05:25.808 Like we have a podcast coming out about this subject, So then we start 00:05:25.808 --> 00:05:29.428 to put out social media posts that relate to that. 00:05:29.728 --> 00:05:32.998 And I think it's also a struggle now for social media because we aren't 00:05:32.998 --> 00:05:34.768 traveling as much as we used to. 00:05:35.608 --> 00:05:36.808 So I don't have 00:05:37.112 --> 00:05:37.562 like 00:05:38.072 --> 00:05:39.032 the photos and the 00:05:39.032 --> 00:05:39.962 videos Yeah. 00:05:40.202 --> 00:05:42.212 To use like I did. 00:05:42.212 --> 00:05:44.882 Jody: Let's not forget when we first started kicking around the idea 00:05:44.882 --> 00:05:48.205 about the podcast, our initial idea was we do a couple trips a month. 00:05:48.419 --> 00:05:48.887 Gab: Mm-hmm. 00:05:49.227 --> 00:05:50.147 Now we're we're limited for a short period. 00:05:50.147 --> 00:05:52.137 for a short period of time. 00:05:52.193 --> 00:05:52.483 Jody: Yeah. 00:05:52.765 --> 00:05:52.940 Gab: Well, 00:05:52.940 --> 00:05:55.790 we save for a wedding, not ours. 00:05:55.930 --> 00:05:57.280 Jody: No, ours is a done deal. 00:05:57.775 --> 00:05:58.065 Yeah. 00:05:58.565 --> 00:05:59.335 Gab: Our dog is gonna 00:05:59.345 --> 00:05:59.675 Jody: get married. 00:05:59.675 --> 00:06:00.215 Sounds terrible. 00:06:00.215 --> 00:06:00.605 Doesn't it? 00:06:00.990 --> 00:06:02.765 Our, Our, marriage is a done deal. 00:06:03.785 --> 00:06:05.721 Gab: No, it's not terrible. 00:06:06.172 --> 00:06:12.681 Um, I looked over here before at the shelving to my left and 00:06:13.181 --> 00:06:14.646 Jody: Oh, my, wall of chaos. 00:06:14.716 --> 00:06:15.176 Gab: Yeah. 00:06:15.357 --> 00:06:19.601 And I thought I saw something that said high strangeness then I looked again and 00:06:19.601 --> 00:06:21.461 I only saw like your Silmarillion book. 00:06:21.461 --> 00:06:24.334 And I was like, is my brain like making things up? 00:06:24.334 --> 00:06:25.444 But now I see where I saw it, 00:06:25.444 --> 00:06:26.394 Jody: the high strangeness comic yeah. 00:06:26.684 --> 00:06:27.444 Gab: And I feel so much 00:06:27.484 --> 00:06:28.024 better. 00:06:28.664 --> 00:06:30.094 I just had to get that out. 00:06:30.584 --> 00:06:30.764 Jody: Yeah. 00:06:30.764 --> 00:06:32.924 You have to start adding some stuff to the shelving here. 00:06:33.134 --> 00:06:33.824 Gab: I have. 00:06:34.117 --> 00:06:35.947 added my colonial kitchens 00:06:36.204 --> 00:06:37.914 Jody: for you guys listening, it is total chaos. 00:06:37.914 --> 00:06:41.654 I have trinkets and things just stacked on top of each other. 00:06:41.782 --> 00:06:42.292 Gab: Yeah. 00:06:42.382 --> 00:06:42.720 It's chaos 00:06:42.757 --> 00:06:43.927 Jody: there's some books, and 00:06:43.927 --> 00:06:46.357 Gab: it was organized until we started 00:06:46.625 --> 00:06:50.257 like really adding things and then it just kind of spun outta control 00:06:50.317 --> 00:06:55.267 and it's difficult to find time to do things while working, while doing the 00:06:55.267 --> 00:06:56.047 podcast, 00:06:56.737 --> 00:06:58.087 while living in this world. 00:06:58.522 --> 00:07:00.779 Jody: And it's kind of, it's kind of like a catch-all at this point. 00:07:01.131 --> 00:07:01.491 Gab: Yeah. 00:07:01.521 --> 00:07:03.916 Jody: We have our little breakdown set up here for the podcast. 00:07:04.111 --> 00:07:04.531 Gab: Yeah. 00:07:05.031 --> 00:07:07.611 Jody: So everything gets thrown to the sides of the room 00:07:07.776 --> 00:07:07.986 Gab: Yeah. 00:07:07.986 --> 00:07:08.242 against 00:07:08.301 --> 00:07:09.344 Jody: the walls and the shelving. 00:07:09.791 --> 00:07:12.676 Gab: And we had plans to redo the house that got put on hold, 00:07:13.006 --> 00:07:15.136 Jody: so this is turning into like our airing of grievances 00:07:18.451 --> 00:07:19.111 Gab: in a way. 00:07:19.201 --> 00:07:19.306 We're 00:07:19.336 --> 00:07:21.076 Jody: coming up on a year almost right? 00:07:21.076 --> 00:07:21.586 In April. 00:07:21.699 --> 00:07:21.969 Yeah. 00:07:21.969 --> 00:07:22.029 Yeah. 00:07:22.529 --> 00:07:24.359 Gab: Any other thoughts on the podcast? 00:07:24.566 --> 00:07:25.689 Jody: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. 00:07:25.689 --> 00:07:27.286 I, think that content is good. 00:07:27.721 --> 00:07:28.089 Gab: Yeah. 00:07:28.426 --> 00:07:30.586 Jody: You know, I, I think we're approaching it from, 00:07:31.086 --> 00:07:34.146 you know, the angle of, Hey, is this something you might want to get into, 00:07:35.486 --> 00:07:35.681 people? 00:07:35.681 --> 00:07:36.401 Yeah. 00:07:36.401 --> 00:07:36.411 Yeah. 00:07:36.641 --> 00:07:37.121 Gab: I like that. 00:07:37.451 --> 00:07:37.901 Jody: Yeah. 00:07:38.161 --> 00:07:39.331 I hope other people like it. 00:07:39.526 --> 00:07:39.863 Gab: Yeah. 00:07:39.996 --> 00:07:42.156 Jody: But, um, I really do like the interviews. 00:07:42.186 --> 00:07:43.086 That's like my thing. 00:07:43.206 --> 00:07:43.356 Gab: Yeah 00:07:43.396 --> 00:07:43.856 The interviews 00:07:43.896 --> 00:07:44.376 Jody: my jam. 00:07:44.736 --> 00:07:45.036 Yeah. 00:07:45.036 --> 00:07:46.351 Gab: I like the research. 00:07:46.851 --> 00:07:47.541 Jody: Yeah, you do. 00:07:47.738 --> 00:07:48.098 Gab: Yeah. 00:07:48.188 --> 00:07:49.448 I love to research. 00:07:49.948 --> 00:07:52.648 Jody: That's the thing too, when we go on trips, Gabrielle's really good at finding 00:07:52.648 --> 00:07:54.358 all the, uh, the weirdo stuff to do. 00:07:54.673 --> 00:07:54.973 Gab: Yeah. 00:07:54.973 --> 00:07:55.908 Jody: In the area we're going to. 00:07:56.198 --> 00:07:59.538 Gab: Yeah, I put together a nice little itinerary when we travel. 00:07:59.666 --> 00:08:00.018 Jody: Yeah. 00:08:00.228 --> 00:08:02.538 Gab: I try some places it's hard. 00:08:02.538 --> 00:08:03.598 There's not much to do. 00:08:03.858 --> 00:08:04.898 Jody: Always a cemetery though. 00:08:05.348 --> 00:08:05.478 Gab: Yeah. 00:08:05.478 --> 00:08:05.848 Jody: Yeah there's always a cemetery. 00:08:06.318 --> 00:08:07.308 Gab: Love a good cemetery. 00:08:07.908 --> 00:08:08.308 Yeah. 00:08:08.348 --> 00:08:10.488 I'm working on a cemetery episode right now. 00:08:10.708 --> 00:08:11.038 Jody: Oh boy. 00:08:11.358 --> 00:08:11.741 Gab: Mm-hmm. 00:08:11.921 --> 00:08:15.184 It might come out, I don't know if we release this, it could 00:08:15.184 --> 00:08:16.654 come out before or after. 00:08:16.654 --> 00:08:17.284 Who knows? 00:08:17.784 --> 00:08:22.574 We could start recording episodes about trips that we've taken. 00:08:22.848 --> 00:08:23.088 Jody: Yeah. 00:08:23.088 --> 00:08:23.928 I mean, that's a good point. 00:08:23.928 --> 00:08:27.084 Now that you bring it up to you reminded me, our episodes are, 00:08:27.388 --> 00:08:28.528 they're recorded ahead of time. 00:08:28.821 --> 00:08:29.061 Okay. 00:08:29.061 --> 00:08:30.291 They're not, they're not live. 00:08:30.291 --> 00:08:33.581 We don't record them and then just release them as is. 00:08:33.581 --> 00:08:33.851 Right. 00:08:33.851 --> 00:08:37.728 So they're heavily edited and what I mean by that is, again, I like it to sound 00:08:37.728 --> 00:08:42.148 good, so when I say heavily edited, I am editing it to make it sound good. 00:08:42.428 --> 00:08:42.778 Gab: Right. 00:08:42.828 --> 00:08:44.838 Jody: I have that luxury of. 00:08:45.338 --> 00:08:45.908 You know, we 00:08:45.908 --> 00:08:47.348 could bank a few episodes. 00:08:47.628 --> 00:08:49.908 And then I have the luxury of picking and choosing, all right, 00:08:49.908 --> 00:08:51.348 which one are we gonna release next? 00:08:51.848 --> 00:08:54.938 You know, and sometimes we're recording and then, you know we're releasing an 00:08:54.938 --> 00:08:58.514 episode that we just recorded a week earlier Like, it's happened, you know, 00:08:59.014 --> 00:09:00.364 October was one of those months. 00:09:00.394 --> 00:09:00.694 Gab: Yeah. 00:09:01.301 --> 00:09:04.948 Jody: But we kinda have the freedom to choose what we're releasing when, you 00:09:04.948 --> 00:09:07.038 know, when we want to, when it fits. 00:09:07.384 --> 00:09:09.123 Gab: And that helps too, in a way. 00:09:09.373 --> 00:09:13.833 If life gets a little bit out of control and we don't have the ability 00:09:13.833 --> 00:09:19.603 to record, we have an episode or two that we can use and we don't have to 00:09:19.603 --> 00:09:20.053 worry. 00:09:20.143 --> 00:09:20.209 Well, 00:09:21.013 --> 00:09:21.523 So So that helps. 00:09:22.078 --> 00:09:22.318 Jody: Yeah. 00:09:22.491 --> 00:09:23.361 That'll happen with the wedding. 00:09:23.631 --> 00:09:23.751 Gab: Yeah. 00:09:23.751 --> 00:09:23.761 Jody: The, 00:09:23.796 --> 00:09:24.096 Gab: Yeah. 00:09:24.096 --> 00:09:24.251 the whole 00:09:24.291 --> 00:09:24.741 Jody: wedding week. 00:09:24.741 --> 00:09:25.161 Forget it. 00:09:25.661 --> 00:09:26.051 Gab: Yeah. 00:09:26.264 --> 00:09:26.484 Jody: You know, 00:09:27.161 --> 00:09:28.211 Gab: probably the whole month. 00:09:28.421 --> 00:09:28.751 Jody: The whole month 00:09:29.321 --> 00:09:29.818 Gab: at least. 00:09:30.645 --> 00:09:31.581 Jody: So yeah, I don't, edit. 00:09:31.802 --> 00:09:33.722 In a way that I'm changing what 00:09:34.222 --> 00:09:34.413 content 00:09:34.413 --> 00:09:34.473 Gab: is. 00:09:34.473 --> 00:09:35.733 Jody: You know, I'm not changing the content. 00:09:35.733 --> 00:09:36.243 Exactly. 00:09:36.243 --> 00:09:38.253 Like when we do an interview, the interview is, 00:09:38.448 --> 00:09:38.808 Gab: Right. 00:09:38.898 --> 00:09:40.648 Jody: what we recorded with the person. 00:09:40.648 --> 00:09:43.618 I might remove some ums and ahs and you know, clean it up a little bit. 00:09:43.618 --> 00:09:48.198 Remove long gaps between, because I don't want our audience to be bored as hell. 00:09:48.468 --> 00:09:48.738 Gab: Right. 00:09:48.738 --> 00:09:50.838 It's just edited to be more professional. 00:09:50.998 --> 00:09:51.108 Jody: Yeah. 00:09:51.108 --> 00:09:51.828 Gab: Put together. 00:09:52.031 --> 00:09:52.361 Jody: Yeah. 00:09:52.881 --> 00:09:55.409 Gab: And less like, I don't know, uncut, 00:09:56.369 --> 00:09:56.884 Jody: less uncut. 00:09:57.029 --> 00:09:57.209 Yeah. 00:09:57.709 --> 00:10:00.549 So you guys are getting a little glimpse of the man behind the curtain here. 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:02.019 How the magic happens. 00:10:02.539 --> 00:10:04.786 Gab: Anything else you wanna talk about for the podcast? 00:10:05.286 --> 00:10:05.736 Jody: No. 00:10:05.736 --> 00:10:07.616 I mean, the gear is always a challenge, right? 00:10:07.826 --> 00:10:08.336 Gab: Yeah. 00:10:08.586 --> 00:10:09.853 Jody: We got a pretty good setup now. 00:10:10.353 --> 00:10:10.833 Gab: Yeah, 00:10:10.893 --> 00:10:11.193 Jody: Yeah. 00:10:11.693 --> 00:10:12.024 Gab: yeah. 00:10:12.533 --> 00:10:13.733 Jody: You gonna yawn during this? 00:10:14.233 --> 00:10:15.223 Gab: I just maybe 00:10:15.403 --> 00:10:15.823 Jody: Crazy. 00:10:16.358 --> 00:10:16.868 That's crazy. 00:10:16.868 --> 00:10:16.958 You're 00:10:16.958 --> 00:10:17.198 Gab: putting the 00:10:17.198 --> 00:10:18.278 Jody: audience to sleep right now. 00:10:18.778 --> 00:10:19.636 Gab: My back hurts. 00:10:20.686 --> 00:10:22.906 I'm trying to find a way that it doesn't, but I can't. 00:10:23.196 --> 00:10:24.696 Jody: Oh, you got the comfy couch seat too. 00:10:25.176 --> 00:10:25.746 Gab: Yeah. 00:10:25.776 --> 00:10:26.766 Jody: Maybe that's a bad idea. 00:10:26.916 --> 00:10:28.286 Gab: No, it's just my back. 00:10:28.726 --> 00:10:32.401 I have to like hunch my back to be close to the microphone, but then that hurts. 00:10:32.901 --> 00:10:33.121 So, 00:10:33.621 --> 00:10:37.181 Jody: so everybody's getting a, uh, little bit of our personality today too. 00:10:37.801 --> 00:10:40.151 Gab: Peak into my in my spine. 00:10:40.245 --> 00:10:40.361 Jody: Yeah. 00:10:40.721 --> 00:10:45.121 Our, not just our personality, but our, our medical issues as well. 00:10:45.599 --> 00:10:48.749 You don't know if we want to talk about this, but we just got back from 00:10:48.749 --> 00:10:50.079 an investigation last night actually. 00:10:50.129 --> 00:10:50.969 Gab: last night. 00:10:50.969 --> 00:10:51.419 Yeah. 00:10:51.419 --> 00:10:51.629 Jody: Yeah. 00:10:51.923 --> 00:10:56.459 Gab: We finally got to go back to Pike County Historical Center Society. 00:10:56.959 --> 00:10:57.709 The Collums 00:10:57.844 --> 00:10:58.534 Jody: Museum, yeah. 00:10:59.014 --> 00:11:00.122 Gab: Here in Pennsylvania. 00:11:00.663 --> 00:11:06.438 If you haven't listened to our original episode, about that location, you should. 00:11:06.528 --> 00:11:08.068 It's a fantastic location. 00:11:08.308 --> 00:11:08.518 Jody: Yeah. 00:11:08.768 --> 00:11:12.058 Gab: You should go and research it on your own through their website. 00:11:12.058 --> 00:11:14.458 It's listed in the notes for the episode. 00:11:14.705 --> 00:11:19.765 And if you're local, I mean, it is worth just going in the day and checking it out. 00:11:20.177 --> 00:11:26.653 They also do, in October, they do like ghost tours about Milford and the history. 00:11:27.043 --> 00:11:30.083 We said we were gonna go last year and then October crazy. 00:11:30.223 --> 00:11:31.813 Jody: Oh October yeah is cra-, forget it right? 00:11:31.933 --> 00:11:33.703 Gab: So we said we have to go this year. 00:11:34.019 --> 00:11:36.689 it's just, it's got so much history 00:11:36.719 --> 00:11:39.059 Jody: and we learned a little bit new every time we go up there. 00:11:39.179 --> 00:11:39.599 Gab: Yeah. 00:11:39.599 --> 00:11:41.089 yeah It's a really interesting place. 00:11:41.423 --> 00:11:45.883 Jody: Tim, who, who actually does the tour is, is a, uh, great historical resource. 00:11:45.973 --> 00:11:46.453 Gab: Oh my God. 00:11:46.453 --> 00:11:47.404 He is fantastic. 00:11:47.483 --> 00:11:49.434 Jody: He tells us different stories every time, 00:11:49.689 --> 00:11:50.529 every time we're there. 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:51.219 Gab: Yeah. 00:11:51.513 --> 00:11:53.182 Jody: So anyway, what do we got coming up? 00:11:53.339 --> 00:11:55.379 Gab: Creature feature in a couple weeks? 00:11:55.439 --> 00:11:56.369 Like a month? 00:11:56.786 --> 00:12:00.116 Jody: I mean, like, what are our plans for the next year. 00:12:00.616 --> 00:12:01.456 Gab: Like for what? 00:12:01.956 --> 00:12:02.556 How do you mean? 00:12:03.056 --> 00:12:04.466 Jody: Well, we're trying to do this in a way that we're 00:12:04.466 --> 00:12:05.666 trying to save a little money, 00:12:06.166 --> 00:12:06.706 Gab: right. 00:12:07.206 --> 00:12:08.826 I mean, we have two trips coming up. 00:12:09.156 --> 00:12:12.044 Jody: So how do you do that when you, you know, it's $500 a night 00:12:12.044 --> 00:12:13.394 to rent out a place or more, right? 00:12:13.723 --> 00:12:13.894 Gab: Yeah. 00:12:13.894 --> 00:12:14.411 It's tough. 00:12:14.741 --> 00:12:18.157 I've said we could look at like local hotels That are haunted. 00:12:18.277 --> 00:12:20.077 Just go to the hotel, spend a night, 00:12:20.327 --> 00:12:20.477 Jody: Yeah. 00:12:20.477 --> 00:12:24.927 Gab: Investigate the hotel, you know, cheaper than $500 a night at a location 00:12:24.947 --> 00:12:25.007 Jody: yeah. 00:12:25.866 --> 00:12:26.886 hotels are a good idea. 00:12:27.051 --> 00:12:27.411 Gab: Yeah. 00:12:27.911 --> 00:12:29.346 Jody: A lot of people pass through hotels. 00:12:29.719 --> 00:12:30.049 Gab: Yeah. 00:12:30.199 --> 00:12:31.249 There's that option. 00:12:31.552 --> 00:12:33.626 I also, I don't know about you. 00:12:33.986 --> 00:12:35.009 I feel like. 00:12:35.509 --> 00:12:39.989 I've gotten to a point where going to a location 00:12:40.079 --> 00:12:44.926 and investigating it just doesn't like fit for me. 00:12:45.426 --> 00:12:45.816 Jody: What do you mean? 00:12:46.316 --> 00:12:50.726 Gab: Like, um, I don't know how much you wanna get into it, but like 00:12:50.851 --> 00:12:51.181 Jody: Yep. 00:12:51.181 --> 00:12:51.621 just let er rip. 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:52.119 With, 00:12:53.644 --> 00:12:55.744 Gab: with the research that we've started 00:12:55.829 --> 00:12:56.119 Jody: Yeah. 00:12:56.314 --> 00:12:59.051 Gab: Back in October been slowly 00:12:59.141 --> 00:13:00.731 Jody: Well, the research that you started, 00:13:01.541 --> 00:13:05.841 I am what, what they call a willing, uh, component 00:13:05.971 --> 00:13:06.161 Gab: yeah 00:13:06.161 --> 00:13:06.561 Jody: in this 00:13:06.956 --> 00:13:07.056 Gab: You're like a 00:13:07.056 --> 00:13:07.776 participant. 00:13:07.836 --> 00:13:08.696 Jody: I'm a participant. 00:13:08.716 --> 00:13:08.986 Yes. 00:13:09.202 --> 00:13:14.022 Gab: I don't know, I just feel like I'd rather stay home and focus on 00:13:14.022 --> 00:13:18.022 that or go to our one local spot. 00:13:18.228 --> 00:13:18.473 Jody: Yeah. 00:13:18.526 --> 00:13:21.356 Gab: And, you know, focus on what's going on there. 00:13:21.546 --> 00:13:21.846 Jody: Right. 00:13:22.266 --> 00:13:23.286 Gab: And try to figure that out. 00:13:23.986 --> 00:13:28.346 And I just feel like going to these other places just adds a 00:13:28.346 --> 00:13:31.424 component that it's like, why? 00:13:31.754 --> 00:13:31.994 Like 00:13:31.994 --> 00:13:32.114 I 00:13:32.114 --> 00:13:32.324 don't 00:13:32.324 --> 00:13:32.714 even, 00:13:34.491 --> 00:13:38.077 I hate saying it 'cause you know who I feel like I sound like 00:13:38.956 --> 00:13:39.011 Jody: Yes, I know. 00:13:39.021 --> 00:13:39.861 Gab: Um, but 00:13:41.181 --> 00:13:46.124 I just feel like, I don't know, like we don't even believe in this anymore. 00:13:46.904 --> 00:13:46.994 Jody: Um, 00:13:47.564 --> 00:13:47.984 Gab: but like, 00:13:51.284 --> 00:13:53.894 you know, I just feel like, I 00:13:53.984 --> 00:13:55.064 Jody: it could it could be worse. 00:13:55.124 --> 00:13:56.834 You could be in an abandoned location 00:13:57.394 --> 00:13:57.574 Gab: Yelling 00:13:57.694 --> 00:13:59.104 Jody: at demons and getting possessed. 00:13:59.104 --> 00:13:59.344 Right? 00:13:59.544 --> 00:13:59.914 Gab: Right. 00:13:59.924 --> 00:14:00.364 Jody: Yeah. 00:14:00.364 --> 00:14:01.564 So I don't feel bad for saying it. 00:14:01.564 --> 00:14:04.624 I know people are gonna pick up on what you're talking about, who you're 00:14:04.624 --> 00:14:05.894 talking about specifically but. 00:14:05.944 --> 00:14:06.534 Gab: I mean, are there gonna be though? 00:14:06.534 --> 00:14:07.374 I don't think so. 00:14:08.651 --> 00:14:09.911 I just feel like it's so niche. 00:14:10.364 --> 00:14:10.949 But I just. 00:14:11.576 --> 00:14:20.089 Feel like, our framework for doing this has evolved past that and like, 00:14:20.179 --> 00:14:25.839 I don't even believe that a spirit is someone who's passed on necessarily All 00:14:25.839 --> 00:14:26.109 of the 00:14:26.109 --> 00:14:26.709 time. 00:14:26.769 --> 00:14:27.119 Like, 00:14:27.119 --> 00:14:27.599 Jody: or ever. 00:14:27.902 --> 00:14:28.322 Right? 00:14:28.322 --> 00:14:28.382 I 00:14:28.382 --> 00:14:28.682 mean, 00:14:28.687 --> 00:14:28.907 Gab: Right. 00:14:29.012 --> 00:14:30.422 I mean, I'm sure they're there. 00:14:30.482 --> 00:14:33.302 I'm sure there are those instances where we are communicating 00:14:33.402 --> 00:14:34.662 people who've passed on. 00:14:34.872 --> 00:14:35.142 Jody: Yeah. 00:14:35.142 --> 00:14:36.462 Well, we talk about this all the time too. 00:14:36.462 --> 00:14:37.692 We've never contacted 00:14:37.767 --> 00:14:38.717 a dead relative. 00:14:38.717 --> 00:14:39.137 Gab: A dead relative. 00:14:39.427 --> 00:14:40.467 Jody: No, we've never tried though, 00:14:40.507 --> 00:14:41.537 to be be fair. 00:14:41.900 --> 00:14:42.230 Gab: No. 00:14:42.730 --> 00:14:43.240 Never tried, 00:14:43.740 --> 00:14:44.190 Jody: you know? 00:14:44.305 --> 00:14:44.725 Mm-hmm. 00:14:45.005 --> 00:14:46.380 I don't know what that says about us. 00:14:46.880 --> 00:14:49.190 I mean, I don't feel the, I don't feel the need, I don't feel the, I don't 00:14:49.190 --> 00:14:51.954 have the urgency to be like, Hey, I wanna meet my great-grandfather. 00:14:51.954 --> 00:14:52.644 I never met him. 00:14:52.754 --> 00:14:53.134 You know what I mean? 00:14:53.134 --> 00:14:53.194 Gab: Right 00:14:53.374 --> 00:14:53.884 Jody: Like-at that point, 00:14:53.924 --> 00:14:55.994 I don't have a personal connection to someone who's been 00:14:56.264 --> 00:14:57.094 Deceased Deceased that long. 00:14:57.650 --> 00:15:01.350 But even like, you know, like my, my aunt, my grandmother, and my grandfather. 00:15:01.380 --> 00:15:05.000 I just, I don't have the need to try to speak to them. 00:15:05.477 --> 00:15:05.837 Gab: Right. 00:15:05.837 --> 00:15:06.527 I don't either. 00:15:06.867 --> 00:15:10.750 I feel like the closest I got was the phone of the wind when 00:15:10.750 --> 00:15:12.320 we were in the Pittsburgh area and i got to talk on the phone,. 00:15:13.154 --> 00:15:13.724 Jody: And it's funny you would 00:15:13.724 --> 00:15:16.664 bring that up because when we were talking about, um, you finding all 00:15:16.664 --> 00:15:18.104 the weird hotspots in the area. 00:15:18.224 --> 00:15:18.524 Gab: Yeah. 00:15:18.554 --> 00:15:20.984 Jody: Well, not hotspots, but the weird, the weird shit to do in the area. 00:15:21.044 --> 00:15:21.374 Gab: Yeah. 00:15:21.607 --> 00:15:23.605 Jody: I was talking about cemeteries and this and that, and 00:15:23.605 --> 00:15:25.761 I was gonna bring up the phone where you could talk to the dead. 00:15:25.967 --> 00:15:30.259 Gab: Yeah just an untethered if you will disconnected. 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:31.269 What do they even call them? 00:15:31.269 --> 00:15:31.519 Jody: It's a payph- like a 00:15:32.193 --> 00:15:32.349 Gab: payphone 00:15:32.349 --> 00:15:33.699 Jody: A payphone thing. 00:15:34.583 --> 00:15:34.623 them? 00:15:34.623 --> 00:15:34.948 Gab: What is word? 00:15:35.858 --> 00:15:36.388 What is the word? 00:15:36.498 --> 00:15:36.788 come 00:15:37.033 --> 00:15:38.508 Jody: You grew up on payphones and and pagers. 00:15:38.658 --> 00:15:38.713 You 00:15:38.828 --> 00:15:38.908 Gab: know 00:15:39.078 --> 00:15:39.568 Jody: You can't say that. 00:15:40.148 --> 00:15:40.388 Gab: I know. 00:15:41.353 --> 00:15:42.903 Jody: you're making feel older now. 00:15:42.926 --> 00:15:47.696 Gab: Like just a disconnected payphone that you go to, you pick up the receiver. 00:15:47.846 --> 00:15:49.596 There is nothing there. 00:15:49.602 --> 00:15:50.826 You don't have a dial tone. 00:15:51.166 --> 00:15:53.196 It's just empty space. 00:15:53.696 --> 00:15:58.646 Um, and you can use it to connect to people that you've lost. 00:15:59.146 --> 00:15:59.296 Jody: Yeah. 00:15:59.296 --> 00:16:01.438 It's, it's a, like a cathartic 00:16:01.945 --> 00:16:02.465 Sort of Sort of, yeah. 00:16:02.670 --> 00:16:03.160 Gab: It's just for you. 00:16:03.645 --> 00:16:05.805 Jody: You're feeling guilty and you wanna get on there and, yeah. 00:16:06.145 --> 00:16:06.335 Gab: Right or just if you wanna connect. 00:16:06.375 --> 00:16:06.855 Jody: I didn't, I 00:16:06.855 --> 00:16:07.335 didn't, do it. 00:16:07.495 --> 00:16:07.885 Honestly. 00:16:07.885 --> 00:16:08.545 I thought it was silly. 00:16:08.945 --> 00:16:09.725 That's just me though. 00:16:09.725 --> 00:16:12.135 I get, I get the psychology behind it. 00:16:13.095 --> 00:16:13.475 You know, 00:16:13.485 --> 00:16:16.445 people carry grief for a long time, and if you wanna kind of unload on a 00:16:16.445 --> 00:16:20.052 dead phone, well then if that helps, then hey, Go Go for it, you know 00:16:20.482 --> 00:16:23.032 people talk to themselves all the time to, to, deal with their, grief. 00:16:23.532 --> 00:16:23.892 Gab: Yeah. 00:16:23.922 --> 00:16:25.122 I think it's really interesting. 00:16:25.122 --> 00:16:26.622 And there's only so many in the world. 00:16:27.108 --> 00:16:27.288 Jody: I think 00:16:27.288 --> 00:16:27.498 it'd be 00:16:27.498 --> 00:16:27.738 really 00:16:27.738 --> 00:16:31.724 interesting if someone, someone made one in a public place and they just 00:16:31.724 --> 00:16:34.194 fed like a spirit box through it. 00:16:34.509 --> 00:16:35.109 Gab: No, 00:16:36.830 --> 00:16:41.259 that's the cool thing is it's like you are just, you know, nothing is coming 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:41.549 out 00:16:41.549 --> 00:16:41.819 Jody: Right. 00:16:42.175 --> 00:16:45.199 Gab: So it just feels like you're talking into the void. 00:16:45.517 --> 00:16:45.664 Jody: Yeah. 00:16:45.694 --> 00:16:45.814 You 00:16:46.129 --> 00:16:49.809 Gab: and it's like you do feel, I felt, I don't know if others would 00:16:49.839 --> 00:16:54.389 feel like this, but I did feel like I was like surrounded by family. 00:16:54.524 --> 00:16:54.704 Jody: Yeah. 00:16:55.204 --> 00:16:59.154 Gab: You know, by the people that I was talking to and I don't remember, 00:17:00.414 --> 00:17:01.884 We We went in, yeah. 00:17:01.894 --> 00:17:03.354 We had gone there in april. 00:17:03.354 --> 00:17:03.774 Right? 00:17:04.274 --> 00:17:05.744 Jody: Was this our trip to Lancaster? 00:17:06.794 --> 00:17:07.281 Oh, that's right. 00:17:07.314 --> 00:17:09.941 Gab: So it was, was it after my uncle passed? 00:17:10.441 --> 00:17:11.506 Jody: It would've been, I think. 00:17:11.731 --> 00:17:11.866 Gab: Yeah. 00:17:11.866 --> 00:17:12.211 Yeah Yes. 00:17:12.211 --> 00:17:15.161 So Because I was able to, I talked to him, I talked to my grandmother 00:17:15.161 --> 00:17:16.501 Jody: oh right after i think it was yeah, 00:17:16.501 --> 00:17:16.781 Gab: yeah. 00:17:17.186 --> 00:17:17.959 not even a year. 00:17:18.173 --> 00:17:18.413 Jody: Yeah. 00:17:18.930 --> 00:17:22.749 Gab: I talked to him and my grandmother, my grandfather, my pets, 00:17:23.149 --> 00:17:23.830 Jody: Your pets. 00:17:23.895 --> 00:17:27.520 Gab: Except one, and I feel so bad I forgot him, but if we 00:17:27.520 --> 00:17:28.990 ever go back, he'll be the first 00:17:29.387 --> 00:17:30.467 Jody: What were we out in Pittsburgh for? 00:17:30.467 --> 00:17:31.157 I can't remember 00:17:31.417 --> 00:17:32.394 Gab: An investigation. 00:17:32.663 --> 00:17:34.687 Jody: Oh, that was, uh, Hillview Manor. 00:17:34.747 --> 00:17:35.227 Gab: Yes. 00:17:35.317 --> 00:17:36.727 I was like, what is it even called? 00:17:36.787 --> 00:17:37.357 Jody: Hillview Manor, Yeah. 00:17:37.657 --> 00:17:38.092 That's what it was. 00:17:38.092 --> 00:17:38.977 That was a cool place. 00:17:39.037 --> 00:17:40.477 Gab: That was a really cool place. 00:17:40.993 --> 00:17:42.567 It had a really good atmosphere. 00:17:42.687 --> 00:17:43.107 Jody: Yeah. 00:17:43.177 --> 00:17:45.577 I equate that one to something more like Fort Mifflin. 00:17:46.467 --> 00:17:47.937 You spend a lot of time there. 00:17:48.327 --> 00:17:48.777 Gab: Yeah. 00:17:49.977 --> 00:17:50.337 No. 00:17:51.183 --> 00:17:51.943 Until it does. 00:17:51.943 --> 00:17:52.313 Jody: Yeah. 00:17:52.650 --> 00:17:55.944 Gab: And that was the place where I had the vision, if you will. 00:17:56.540 --> 00:17:57.080 Jody: Oh yeah yeah. 00:17:57.385 --> 00:17:57.445 Gab: Yeah. 00:17:57.445 --> 00:18:02.771 Where it was just like a flash for like two, three seconds where it was like 00:18:02.771 --> 00:18:07.144 all of a sudden saw like a working, functioning, personal care home. 00:18:07.534 --> 00:18:09.604 Jody: And I almost hate doing this 'cause I do it all the time. 00:18:09.604 --> 00:18:11.104 I always bring up another episode. 00:18:11.644 --> 00:18:11.914 Right. 00:18:11.914 --> 00:18:15.344 But it's kinda like our interview That we had just had with Johnny Hull. 00:18:15.804 --> 00:18:16.104 Yeah. 00:18:16.164 --> 00:18:18.324 And he calls that like the movie mode, I believe. 00:18:18.820 --> 00:18:20.201 Gab: I think like a movie, he said. 00:18:20.201 --> 00:18:21.231 said Yeah. 00:18:21.231 --> 00:18:23.871 And I immediately was like, yeah, I've had that. 00:18:24.181 --> 00:18:25.201 Jody: You could see what's going on. 00:18:25.201 --> 00:18:26.251 You just can't interact with it. 00:18:27.231 --> 00:18:27.301 Gab: Right. 00:18:27.301 --> 00:18:27.361 Right. 00:18:27.361 --> 00:18:27.711 You just see it. 00:18:27.711 --> 00:18:28.591 Jody: You see that you know of anyway. 00:18:28.887 --> 00:18:29.187 Gab: Yeah. 00:18:29.187 --> 00:18:32.217 And it's like you're there and you're, you're not a participant, 00:18:32.217 --> 00:18:34.007 but you're like an observer. 00:18:34.201 --> 00:18:34.411 Jody: Yeah. 00:18:34.411 --> 00:18:37.681 So like real talk here, is that your imagination going nuts or is that, like, 00:18:37.927 --> 00:18:38.797 how do you feel about that? 00:18:39.007 --> 00:18:39.037 Gab: Right. 00:18:39.037 --> 00:18:40.267 I mean, what is it? 00:18:40.307 --> 00:18:42.367 I was kind of hoping it would happen yesterday in our 00:18:42.367 --> 00:18:43.327 investigation. 00:18:43.657 --> 00:18:43.747 Right. 00:18:43.747 --> 00:18:45.247 But it didn't, so I was a little sad. 00:18:45.581 --> 00:18:48.721 it's the only time it's ever happened to me that I can remember. 00:18:48.914 --> 00:18:50.294 . And it hasn't happened since. 00:18:50.444 --> 00:18:51.584 It didn't happen before. 00:18:51.584 --> 00:18:53.524 It was just in that location 00:18:53.797 --> 00:18:54.067 Jody: Yeah. 00:18:54.284 --> 00:18:59.371 Gab: and it had such a unique feeling to it, and I kept saying all night. 00:18:59.551 --> 00:19:02.966 It really feels like this place is just still functioning and you could 00:19:02.966 --> 00:19:04.916 just really feel the energy here. 00:19:04.946 --> 00:19:06.686 Like it's just a really good energy. 00:19:07.106 --> 00:19:10.376 And it felt like, um, I think it's Norway. 00:19:10.458 --> 00:19:10.501 Jody: Mm-hmm. 00:19:11.126 --> 00:19:15.273 Gab: They believe the, I think it's called the Huldufólk, the hidden people. 00:19:15.454 --> 00:19:15.783 Jody: Mm-hmm. 00:19:15.973 --> 00:19:20.553 Gab: And it's like your existing, and they're existing in the same place. 00:19:20.553 --> 00:19:21.543 You just can't see them. 00:19:21.723 --> 00:19:22.803 Jody: Oh, are they like fairies? 00:19:22.803 --> 00:19:23.043 Like, 00:19:23.542 --> 00:19:24.363 Gab: in a way? 00:19:24.423 --> 00:19:24.993 Yeah. 00:19:25.383 --> 00:19:25.683 Jody: Yeah. 00:19:25.983 --> 00:19:30.483 Gab: they, um, they have rerouted roads and things around where 00:19:30.483 --> 00:19:31.923 they believe these people are 00:19:32.120 --> 00:19:32.403 living. 00:19:32.403 --> 00:19:33.163 Jody: I hate the word fairy. 00:19:33.163 --> 00:19:34.933 Fae is what I have to say now. 00:19:34.933 --> 00:19:38.576 I always equate fairies with Disney, you know, wings and 00:19:39.120 --> 00:19:39.566 Cutesy. 00:19:39.566 --> 00:19:41.040 And I hate using that word. 00:19:41.343 --> 00:19:42.818 Gab: But that's what it kind of felt like. 00:19:42.818 --> 00:19:45.818 Like we were, we were there and they were there too. 00:19:45.898 --> 00:19:46.278 Jody: Yeah. 00:19:46.378 --> 00:19:48.008 Gab: But I like they were hidden. 00:19:48.098 --> 00:19:48.968 We couldn't see them. 00:19:48.998 --> 00:19:53.308 They were like in a different time or different universe, but still, 00:19:53.608 --> 00:19:53.818 Jody: yeah, 00:19:53.998 --> 00:19:54.748 Gab: right there. 00:19:54.748 --> 00:19:56.043 Like under the surface. 00:19:56.543 --> 00:19:56.843 Yeah. 00:19:56.903 --> 00:19:57.893 That's a really cool place. 00:19:57.893 --> 00:20:01.313 If you haven't gone, if you've been thinking about going, definitely go. 00:20:01.612 --> 00:20:02.123 It's worth it. 00:20:02.623 --> 00:20:02.773 Jody: You'll 00:20:02.773 --> 00:20:03.883 need a group of about 10. 00:20:04.273 --> 00:20:05.043 Split the cost. 00:20:05.065 --> 00:20:08.671 Gab: yeah, Even if you take a five hour trip like we did to go, 00:20:08.951 --> 00:20:10.281 Jody: Well, five hours for us anyway. 00:20:11.177 --> 00:20:12.612 Gab: Yeah, it's definitely worth it. 00:20:13.112 --> 00:20:14.672 Plus just being in that area was cool. 00:20:14.672 --> 00:20:16.052 I've never been there before. 00:20:16.282 --> 00:20:18.652 Jody: I feel like this is a good format too, to just kind of unload 00:20:18.652 --> 00:20:21.022 a little bit because we're talking about investigations that we did 00:20:21.022 --> 00:20:22.372 that didn't necessarily make it 00:20:22.567 --> 00:20:22.929 Gab: Right. 00:20:22.969 --> 00:20:23.791 Jody: To the podcast 00:20:23.931 --> 00:20:24.831 Which happens. 00:20:24.921 --> 00:20:25.521 It happens a 00:20:25.521 --> 00:20:25.846 lot. 00:20:25.851 --> 00:20:26.701 Gab: Yeah, it does 00:20:27.191 --> 00:20:27.551 Jody: So. 00:20:27.694 --> 00:20:29.102 It's nice to unload a little bit. 00:20:29.616 --> 00:20:32.636 Gab: But I feel like that trip was kind of like a bucket list trip. 00:20:33.379 --> 00:20:35.952 like when we went to Chicago, I was like, we're probably 00:20:35.952 --> 00:20:37.422 never coming back here again. 00:20:37.422 --> 00:20:39.049 Let's do everything we wanna do. 00:20:39.409 --> 00:20:43.039 I do regret that we didn't go to Hull House when we were in Chicago, but 00:20:43.302 --> 00:20:44.742 I might be able to live with that. 00:20:44.802 --> 00:20:48.302 I mean, I don't know for sure, but, um, I might, 00:20:48.388 --> 00:20:51.272 Jody: Well, I mean, if we were out in Chicago today, we probably would 00:20:51.512 --> 00:20:53.196 make it a point to go there because, 00:20:53.201 --> 00:20:53.371 Gab: Yeah. 00:20:53.496 --> 00:20:55.656 Jody: like we're doing a lot more of this sort of stuff. 00:20:55.746 --> 00:20:56.196 Gab: Yeah. 00:20:56.696 --> 00:20:58.556 Jody: You know, plus the podcast, something to talk about. 00:20:58.961 --> 00:20:59.321 Gab: Yeah. 00:20:59.321 --> 00:21:02.651 And for, you know, should people listen to this. 00:21:03.131 --> 00:21:07.168 Um, just to let you know that Hull House is the original settlement house 00:21:07.168 --> 00:21:11.008 that was created by Jane Adams I think. 00:21:11.508 --> 00:21:15.028 Just off the top of my memory here, , in Chicago, settlement 00:21:15.028 --> 00:21:21.988 house is like a one stop location for social services in a way. 00:21:22.328 --> 00:21:26.457 They provided housing, education, medical, you know, all different 00:21:26.457 --> 00:21:28.407 kinds of support that you might need. 00:21:28.727 --> 00:21:31.777 So you could just go to the one building and kind of everything 00:21:31.777 --> 00:21:32.957 you needed was under one roof. 00:21:33.173 --> 00:21:36.157 And it was really helpful for people and I feel like it's something 00:21:36.157 --> 00:21:37.777 every community can benefit from. 00:21:38.277 --> 00:21:40.347 Jody: So let's reel it back into what you were, you were saying 00:21:40.347 --> 00:21:42.617 about what your current mindset is. 00:21:42.617 --> 00:21:43.787 Your current belief system. 00:21:44.087 --> 00:21:47.790 Gab: Yeah, I just feel like, I'm beyond, like, 00:21:47.790 --> 00:21:53.608 I even think to myself like, why would a spirit want to be here in this location? 00:21:53.608 --> 00:21:56.538 Like, why would that spirit want to stay here? 00:21:57.038 --> 00:22:00.428 Sometimes I think that, and it's, you know, it just doesn't make sense 00:22:00.428 --> 00:22:04.238 to me all the time when people say, like, in this location, this spirit's 00:22:04.238 --> 00:22:04.538 here. 00:22:04.643 --> 00:22:04.883 Jody: Yeah. 00:22:04.988 --> 00:22:05.048 Gab: Yeah. 00:22:05.048 --> 00:22:05.498 Why? 00:22:05.861 --> 00:22:10.033 Jody: I mean, if we're not, if we're not thinking of ghosts as dead people 00:22:10.176 --> 00:22:10.513 Gab: right. 00:22:10.763 --> 00:22:13.823 Jody: If it's something left over, if there's some kind of energy left over. 00:22:14.073 --> 00:22:14.323 Gab: Right. 00:22:14.323 --> 00:22:16.033 They could be there for a few reasons. 00:22:16.123 --> 00:22:16.603 Yeah. 00:22:16.903 --> 00:22:18.363 Like something residual. 00:22:18.710 --> 00:22:23.090 You know, they could be associated maybe to an object there, to something 00:22:23.090 --> 00:22:24.687 that they loved during their life even, 00:22:24.687 --> 00:22:25.867 Jody: which makes sense with museums, right? 00:22:25.867 --> 00:22:26.187 Gab: Right. 00:22:26.217 --> 00:22:29.727 Or even the location that they loved, that location during their life. 00:22:30.227 --> 00:22:33.317 Or they could be something that people who are going there 00:22:33.817 --> 00:22:36.027 to investigate are creating. 00:22:36.551 --> 00:22:37.697 They could be a thought form. 00:22:38.243 --> 00:22:41.220 An egregor that's being created by these people. 00:22:41.220 --> 00:22:45.030 They're going consistently being told what the spirits are here 00:22:45.510 --> 00:22:47.670 and then trying to contact them. 00:22:48.015 --> 00:22:48.285 Jody: Yep. 00:22:48.705 --> 00:22:49.885 And then eventually they create something. 00:22:50.165 --> 00:22:50.525 Gab: Right. 00:22:50.635 --> 00:22:50.755 Jody: Yeah. 00:22:50.755 --> 00:22:51.705 It's like a, it's a 00:22:51.788 --> 00:22:53.108 Gab: Like a manifestation. 00:22:53.243 --> 00:22:53.533 Jody: Yeah. 00:22:53.758 --> 00:22:54.578 So what we learned then? 00:22:54.578 --> 00:22:56.168 Gab: Manifestation infestation. 00:22:56.408 --> 00:22:57.928 Jody: Manifestation infestation. 00:22:57.928 --> 00:22:58.198 Wow. 00:22:58.815 --> 00:22:59.507 so what have we learned 00:23:00.007 --> 00:23:00.427 Gab: about, 00:23:00.927 --> 00:23:01.827 Jody: I mean, over the past year? 00:23:01.827 --> 00:23:05.050 I mean, I can't stand the words "ghost hunt." 00:23:05.490 --> 00:23:05.940 Gab: I know. 00:23:05.970 --> 00:23:06.140 Jody: Anymore 00:23:06.505 --> 00:23:06.585 Gab: Me either. 00:23:06.805 --> 00:23:08.501 Jody: I find myself saying it a lot. 00:23:09.072 --> 00:23:09.612 Still. 00:23:09.909 --> 00:23:12.459 And I try to correct myself and say investigation. 00:23:12.714 --> 00:23:13.014 Gab: Yeah. 00:23:13.014 --> 00:23:13.884 I'll say paranormal 00:23:14.739 --> 00:23:14.949 Jody: Yep. 00:23:15.204 --> 00:23:15.264 Gab: Yeah. 00:23:15.264 --> 00:23:19.254 I feel like Ghost Hunt is so much simpler and smaller to 00:23:19.284 --> 00:23:19.344 say, 00:23:19.914 --> 00:23:20.004 Well 00:23:20.104 --> 00:23:22.919 Jody: well, it, ghost hunt implies that you're specifically going 00:23:22.919 --> 00:23:24.736 out to find an actual ghost. 00:23:24.736 --> 00:23:25.006 Right. 00:23:25.527 --> 00:23:26.796 Gab: In the simplest idea. 00:23:26.796 --> 00:23:26.946 Yeah. 00:23:26.996 --> 00:23:27.436 Jody: Exactly. 00:23:27.436 --> 00:23:31.060 Simplest form, you know, a floating apparition, whatever, you know 00:23:31.110 --> 00:23:31.191 Gab: Yeah. 00:23:31.216 --> 00:23:31.426 Jody: Yeah. 00:23:31.726 --> 00:23:35.086 Uh, it's, first of all, that's very uncommon, right? 00:23:35.586 --> 00:23:36.996 Like to see something visually. 00:23:37.496 --> 00:23:40.531 Unless something's interacting with the environment, you know, whatever. 00:23:41.031 --> 00:23:44.021 Gab: I think it also implies that you're hunting 00:23:44.196 --> 00:23:44.386 Jody: Right. 00:23:45.035 --> 00:23:45.046 Gab: For-something. 00:23:45.046 --> 00:23:45.296 Jody: Yep. 00:23:45.766 --> 00:23:50.093 Gab: You know, we're more like trying to connect with a, something 00:23:50.423 --> 00:23:54.443 with the spirit, with an entity, With a energy force, if you will, 00:23:54.593 --> 00:23:54.643 Jody: Right. 00:23:54.901 --> 00:23:55.321 Gab: even. 00:23:55.821 --> 00:23:57.441 That is at a location 00:23:57.941 --> 00:24:01.321 Jody: And the investigation part, I mean that's just trying 00:24:01.321 --> 00:24:02.931 to put it all together and I 00:24:02.931 --> 00:24:06.376 mean the biggest part of it is when you experience something right. 00:24:06.586 --> 00:24:10.246 Trying to figure out if that was someone else talking or whispering or you know, 00:24:10.246 --> 00:24:11.956 someone with a squeaky floorboard or 00:24:12.181 --> 00:24:12.826 Gab: Right. 00:24:13.096 --> 00:24:16.356 And it's very hard when there are people talking. 00:24:16.506 --> 00:24:17.796 When there are people moving. 00:24:18.296 --> 00:24:18.386 When 00:24:18.386 --> 00:24:20.066 people continue to whisper, I 00:24:20.156 --> 00:24:20.166 Jody: I 00:24:20.216 --> 00:24:21.146 Gab: it sometimes. 00:24:21.226 --> 00:24:21.606 Jody: I know, we all do it. 00:24:21.746 --> 00:24:23.836 Gab: It's hard to not, um, 00:24:24.016 --> 00:24:27.076 Jody: and then we forget to tag it and you know, it's a nightmare 00:24:27.076 --> 00:24:28.836 going over the recordings. 00:24:29.196 --> 00:24:29.646 Gab: Yeah. 00:24:30.154 --> 00:24:33.716 Especially when you're doing like a public investigation, it's really difficult. 00:24:34.223 --> 00:24:34.861 'cause everybody 00:24:34.861 --> 00:24:37.021 has like their own idea of what they wanna be Doing, 00:24:37.236 --> 00:24:38.506 Jody: Even private investigations. 00:24:38.506 --> 00:24:41.236 When we go with like a group of more than like three or four people 00:24:41.276 --> 00:24:41.606 Gab: Yeah. 00:24:41.676 --> 00:24:42.086 You get, 00:24:42.616 --> 00:24:42.826 yeah. 00:24:42.826 --> 00:24:43.271 It could get difficult. 00:24:43.506 --> 00:24:44.011 Jody: Could get difficult. 00:24:44.011 --> 00:24:46.621 You gotta track every, everything that everybody's doing at all times. 00:24:47.086 --> 00:24:47.476 Gab: Yeah. 00:24:47.976 --> 00:24:50.416 You have to really commit to all doing the same thing 00:24:51.046 --> 00:24:51.946 at the same time. 00:24:52.006 --> 00:24:52.326 Jody: Yep. 00:24:52.657 --> 00:24:56.184 Gab: So then where do you see the future of our investigations going? 00:24:56.478 --> 00:24:58.166 Jody: Uh, I mean, 00:24:58.353 --> 00:25:00.173 i'm definitely in inside my own head a little bit. 00:25:00.363 --> 00:25:00.783 Gab: Yeah. 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:02.693 Jody: You know, i'm overanalyzing. 00:25:03.242 --> 00:25:06.322 We're, uh, I think I'm reframing my thought process. 00:25:06.733 --> 00:25:07.093 a lot? 00:25:07.382 --> 00:25:08.001 Gab: What do you mean? 00:25:08.545 --> 00:25:11.351 Jody: You know, I had this pretty little picture of how all this stuff worked. 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:14.666 And I can't say that, that I, you know, I changed my thought 00:25:14.666 --> 00:25:17.006 process just within this last year. 00:25:17.216 --> 00:25:17.336 Gab: Mm-hmm. 00:25:17.836 --> 00:25:20.801 Jody: Um, I've been rethinking this stuff for years. 00:25:21.223 --> 00:25:21.313 Gab: Right. 00:25:21.313 --> 00:25:22.596 Jody: As you know, as we're doing it. 00:25:22.596 --> 00:25:23.606 But over 00:25:23.606 --> 00:25:26.336 the last year, I think the podcast has definitely helped us. 00:25:26.350 --> 00:25:26.866 Gab: Yeah. 00:25:27.091 --> 00:25:29.838 Jody: You know, since we're doing a little more research And 00:25:29.968 --> 00:25:31.038 Gab: yeah and reading. 00:25:31.332 --> 00:25:36.348 Jody: Reading Yeah it's helped us reframe our perspective completely. 00:25:36.513 --> 00:25:36.633 Gab: Yeah. 00:25:37.133 --> 00:25:40.543 It, um, has expanded my knowledge on the field. 00:25:40.828 --> 00:25:41.188 Jody: Yeah. 00:25:41.688 --> 00:25:47.988 Gab: Um, led me down paths I didn't expect, um, you know. 00:25:48.488 --> 00:25:52.598 Whether it be like reading or even where we've started now to break 00:25:52.598 --> 00:25:57.938 off into like magical practices Uh, when we're investigating. 00:25:58.238 --> 00:25:59.687 You know, just things that I never 00:26:01.124 --> 00:26:01.227 Jody: thought you'd be doing 00:26:01.227 --> 00:26:02.277 Gab: really expected. 00:26:02.287 --> 00:26:07.827 I mean, I always kind of, even as like a teenager was into like magical 00:26:07.827 --> 00:26:09.987 practice, but not like I am now. 00:26:10.017 --> 00:26:11.067 It's not the same. 00:26:11.393 --> 00:26:13.043 Jody: I mean, I'm more open to it. 00:26:13.445 --> 00:26:13.837 Gab: Right. 00:26:14.019 --> 00:26:18.604 And it's hard when, I don't know, it's such a singular focus now. 00:26:18.604 --> 00:26:23.394 I feel like that is hard to kind of see things another way. 00:26:23.724 --> 00:26:23.934 Yeah. 00:26:24.024 --> 00:26:29.377 To go back, you know, to how we used to think And I hate to bring 00:26:29.377 --> 00:26:33.277 it up and talk about it all the time, but I think it goes back to 00:26:33.777 --> 00:26:35.217 what we saw in the woods that night. 00:26:35.217 --> 00:26:41.961 I think it was, it was an initiation into us going down this path of connecting to 00:26:42.935 --> 00:26:44.055 Jody: It's definitely an initiation, yes. 00:26:44.121 --> 00:26:44.871 Gab: Something, 00:26:45.291 --> 00:26:47.842 That we didn't even know existed. 00:26:48.350 --> 00:26:48.702 Jody: Yeah. 00:26:48.882 --> 00:26:50.603 We went looking for a ghosts. 00:26:50.896 --> 00:26:51.192 Gab: Yeah. 00:26:51.642 --> 00:26:53.922 Jody: And we ended up with something completely different. 00:26:54.215 --> 00:26:54.605 Gab: Right. 00:26:54.905 --> 00:26:58.901 Which is something that we hadn't ever considered 00:26:59.161 --> 00:27:01.281 as a possibility, you know? 00:27:01.845 --> 00:27:05.865 Which we still don't know what it is, whether it is a forest spirit, a 00:27:05.865 --> 00:27:08.614 guardian, a watcher, something else. 00:27:09.148 --> 00:27:09.358 Jody: Yeah. 00:27:09.763 --> 00:27:14.793 Gab: You know, I mean, that wasn't on my radar of things that we would connect with 00:27:15.043 --> 00:27:17.983 Jody: well, it definitely put us on a path to change the way we think. 00:27:18.028 --> 00:27:18.298 Gab: Yeah. 00:27:18.358 --> 00:27:18.778 It did. 00:27:19.051 --> 00:27:23.881 To start to research and look into different things and Yeah. 00:27:23.951 --> 00:27:26.401 Yeah, Connect with people because of it. 00:27:26.901 --> 00:27:27.231 Yeah. 00:27:27.291 --> 00:27:32.928 Expend our knowledge in a way that wasn't kind of like on the table before. 00:27:33.305 --> 00:27:36.725 And I feel like it's difficult too, because you're talking to 00:27:36.725 --> 00:27:41.666 people who haven't experienced this and they're still on, you 00:27:41.666 --> 00:27:44.886 know, the other like framework. 00:27:44.901 --> 00:27:45.801 Jody: They're on the other side of it, 00:27:45.966 --> 00:27:46.206 Gab: Right! 00:27:46.206 --> 00:27:47.166 They're on the other side of it. 00:27:47.708 --> 00:27:48.096 Yeah. 00:27:48.146 --> 00:27:50.516 I feel like you kind of come off like a little bit. 00:27:50.801 --> 00:27:53.201 Jody: They haven't been initiated so, I 00:27:53.201 --> 00:27:54.761 mean, let's talk about the initiation 00:27:54.761 --> 00:27:55.271 process. 00:27:55.271 --> 00:27:55.301 Gab: Okay. 00:27:55.301 --> 00:27:55.446 Yes. 00:27:56.544 --> 00:27:57.266 Let's call it that. 00:27:57.311 --> 00:27:57.491 Jody: yeah. 00:27:58.946 --> 00:28:01.526 Gab: I mean, I was gonna say, it makes me feel like there's like 00:28:01.526 --> 00:28:03.776 some like psychosis going on, 00:28:04.276 --> 00:28:04.486 but 00:28:04.771 --> 00:28:07.491 Jody: not when you have three people witnessing the same thing, 00:28:07.611 --> 00:28:07.991 Gab: Right. 00:28:08.001 --> 00:28:08.421 Jody: Sorry. 00:28:08.797 --> 00:28:10.897 Gab: I mean there is like mass hysteria, but No, 00:28:13.417 --> 00:28:18.114 Jody: and we did witness it on 4/20, but, that wasn't, that had nothing to do with 00:28:18.114 --> 00:28:18.262 it. 00:28:18.264 --> 00:28:18.444 Gab: Give 00:28:18.444 --> 00:28:22.014 me a chance to bring up the Salem trials and I'll find a way. 00:28:23.045 --> 00:28:24.744 The mass hysteria of it all. 00:28:25.283 --> 00:28:29.387 But yeah, I mean, it kind reshaped things for me and 00:28:29.887 --> 00:28:32.917 Jody: I don't necessarily think an initiation is something 00:28:32.917 --> 00:28:34.627 that you always plan for. 00:28:35.047 --> 00:28:35.347 Gab: No, 00:28:35.437 --> 00:28:35.587 Jody: it's 00:28:35.587 --> 00:28:37.372 not like it's, it's not something you go in and say, I 00:28:37.372 --> 00:28:39.142 want to be initiated into this 00:28:39.597 --> 00:28:39.947 Gab: Right. 00:28:40.451 --> 00:28:42.697 Jody: Relationship or world, or whatever you wanna call it. 00:28:42.697 --> 00:28:43.417 I'm gonna say the world, 00:28:43.727 --> 00:28:44.007 Gab: Right. 00:28:44.299 --> 00:28:48.622 Jody: But it goes back to we were, forming a little team and you know, 00:28:48.622 --> 00:28:50.332 the, the podcast wasn't even a thing. 00:28:50.549 --> 00:28:54.829 We just wanted a really, it was just like a, a, a hobby for a bunch of 00:28:55.375 --> 00:28:55.758 Gab: Yeah. 00:28:55.929 --> 00:28:59.769 It was really, honestly, it was just a way to go out and be able to do private 00:29:00.075 --> 00:29:00.264 Jody: investigation 00:29:00.264 --> 00:29:00.414 Right. 00:29:01.029 --> 00:29:02.749 Gab: with other like-minded people. 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:02.999 Jody: Right. 00:29:03.269 --> 00:29:03.599 Gab: You know? 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:06.749 'cause it was hard to find groups and public investigations just 00:29:06.749 --> 00:29:09.289 weren't doing it for us anymore. 00:29:09.614 --> 00:29:10.279 You know what I mean? 00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:10.751 Like, I, 00:29:11.278 --> 00:29:11.439 Jody: well, 00:29:11.439 --> 00:29:14.423 the thing is too is with public investigations, like, I hate to say it, 00:29:15.029 --> 00:29:15.982 Gab: There's too many variables 00:29:16.070 --> 00:29:17.584 Jody: There's Way too many variables. 00:29:17.644 --> 00:29:20.074 And when you have people that want to go in and they want to, you 00:29:20.074 --> 00:29:23.464 know, they offer like an Estes session to never done it before. 00:29:23.826 --> 00:29:24.076 Gab: Right. 00:29:24.191 --> 00:29:26.411 Jody: I hate to say it, but you kind of have to practice at it. 00:29:27.121 --> 00:29:30.691 You know, like, you have to, you have to be able to get yourself into that 00:29:31.111 --> 00:29:32.740 mindset, into that hypnotic state. 00:29:33.321 --> 00:29:36.671 And the more you do it, the easier it is to get into that state, that 00:29:36.671 --> 00:29:38.501 half awake, half asleep sort of, 00:29:38.606 --> 00:29:38.726 Gab: Yeah. 00:29:38.801 --> 00:29:39.194 Jody: State. 00:29:39.594 --> 00:29:42.301 And that's where you start to hear things in between the stations. 00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:44.154 When you go with, a local group or whatever. 00:29:44.154 --> 00:29:44.394 Right. 00:29:44.726 --> 00:29:46.974 A lot of these people, when they do an esta session, they're 00:29:46.974 --> 00:29:47.964 doing it for the first time. 00:29:48.464 --> 00:29:53.048 So, I mean, don't expect much because you know, it's all new to them. 00:29:53.298 --> 00:29:55.148 They're repeating everything they hear and you know, 00:29:55.857 --> 00:29:55.908 Gab: hard to 00:29:55.918 --> 00:29:56.928 Jody: Which you're supposed to do, but 00:29:56.947 --> 00:29:58.143 Gab: it's hard to grow in that 00:29:58.143 --> 00:29:58.623 space. 00:29:58.703 --> 00:29:59.053 Jody: It is yeah. 00:29:59.498 --> 00:30:00.038 It is. 00:30:00.282 --> 00:30:02.682 Gab: And being able to do a private investigation lets you 00:30:02.682 --> 00:30:04.482 curate your experience more. 00:30:04.527 --> 00:30:04.767 Jody: Yeah. 00:30:04.947 --> 00:30:05.087 Gab: Based on your 00:30:05.087 --> 00:30:06.147 Jody: You could have a plan. 00:30:06.294 --> 00:30:06.477 Yeah. 00:30:06.487 --> 00:30:07.457 Gab: experience level. 00:30:08.178 --> 00:30:10.262 And understanding of the field, 00:30:10.307 --> 00:30:12.114 Jody: Don't get me wrong, public investigations are fine. 00:30:12.114 --> 00:30:12.774 We still do them. 00:30:12.888 --> 00:30:13.168 Gab: Yeah. 00:30:13.318 --> 00:30:13.804 They're fun. 00:30:13.854 --> 00:30:16.464 Jody: Because we like to get in a location that you can't get to privately. 00:30:17.313 --> 00:30:18.680 There's a lot of options, right? 00:30:18.685 --> 00:30:18.765 Yeah. 00:30:18.890 --> 00:30:21.460 So it's neat to get in there and it's fun and you 00:30:21.460 --> 00:30:22.000 know, sometimes 00:30:22.140 --> 00:30:24.780 Gab: We have a great local team that offers them, so why not? 00:30:24.945 --> 00:30:25.165 Jody: Yep. 00:30:25.461 --> 00:30:26.511 It's affordable too. 00:30:26.736 --> 00:30:26.976 Gab: Right? 00:30:27.113 --> 00:30:29.610 Jody: You know, because private investigations are gonna cost you 00:30:29.610 --> 00:30:32.920 roughly, roughly twice of what it is for a public investigation. 00:30:32.930 --> 00:30:33.300 Gab: Right. 00:30:33.657 --> 00:30:34.115 At least. 00:30:34.180 --> 00:30:36.560 Jody: And the downside of that is you're gonna have a lot more 00:30:36.560 --> 00:30:38.387 people than in the private investigation, right. 00:30:38.387 --> 00:30:41.417 So there's, there's, if you're in a building and it's a fairly small 00:30:41.417 --> 00:30:43.812 building and you're splitting up floors, you're splitting up rooms, 00:30:44.282 --> 00:30:44.672 Gab: Yeah. 00:30:45.172 --> 00:30:47.482 Jody: Um, there's a lot of noise contamination. 00:30:47.898 --> 00:30:48.277 Gab: Yeah. 00:30:48.829 --> 00:30:51.287 Jody: So, well, like for us, that's not a problem really. 00:30:51.287 --> 00:30:53.597 'cause we could tell, we know when there's, you know, 00:30:53.968 --> 00:30:54.637 We have it down. 00:30:54.637 --> 00:30:56.437 We know that there's gonna be contamination, that there's 00:30:56.437 --> 00:30:57.934 gonna be people talking nearby. 00:30:58.572 --> 00:31:00.342 Gab: And we're not always chasing the evidence. 00:31:00.342 --> 00:31:02.972 You're more like, you just want the experience. 00:31:03.197 --> 00:31:04.097 Jody: Chase the experience. 00:31:04.097 --> 00:31:05.027 The evidence comes later. 00:31:05.027 --> 00:31:05.219 Yeah. 00:31:05.282 --> 00:31:05.557 Gab: Yeah. 00:31:06.070 --> 00:31:06.242 Jody: Yeah. 00:31:06.242 --> 00:31:09.385 I feel like we've recently gotten away from chasing evidence. 00:31:09.580 --> 00:31:09.940 Gab: Yeah. 00:31:10.300 --> 00:31:11.170 Jody: I shouldn't say that. 00:31:11.378 --> 00:31:12.367 Gab: It's not the focus. 00:31:12.420 --> 00:31:13.290 Jody: It's not the focus. 00:31:13.290 --> 00:31:13.476 Right. 00:31:13.666 --> 00:31:16.636 We're spending more time sitting in a room quietly and observing, 00:31:16.819 --> 00:31:17.136 now. 00:31:17.296 --> 00:31:17.596 Gab: Yeah. 00:31:17.701 --> 00:31:18.316 Jody: I've noticed. 00:31:18.316 --> 00:31:20.346 And I mean, that's just, 00:31:20.846 --> 00:31:23.936 I love being in an, an old historical building at night and sitting in the 00:31:23.936 --> 00:31:25.673 dark, completely quiet and just observing. 00:31:25.877 --> 00:31:26.087 It's 00:31:26.087 --> 00:31:26.867 almost relaxing. 00:31:26.867 --> 00:31:28.722 And then if something does happen, then that's great. 00:31:29.027 --> 00:31:29.372 Gab: Yeah. 00:31:29.462 --> 00:31:34.042 It's like you're participating in history in like such unique way 00:31:34.542 --> 00:31:36.132 That other people don't experience. 00:31:36.177 --> 00:31:36.357 Jody: Right. 00:31:36.857 --> 00:31:37.577 Gab: It's interesting. 00:31:38.125 --> 00:31:39.247 Jody: So what about our tool sets? 00:31:39.747 --> 00:31:40.587 Gab: I know you wanna make. 00:31:40.917 --> 00:31:41.807 Jody: Oh that's a good point. 00:31:41.837 --> 00:31:42.177 Yeah. 00:31:42.647 --> 00:31:42.887 Yeah. 00:31:42.887 --> 00:31:43.227 Gab: Is that what you mean? 00:31:43.237 --> 00:31:46.439 Jody: My, um, no, it's not what I meant, but, wow. 00:31:46.439 --> 00:31:49.609 When you get into this stuff, um, things get weird. 00:31:50.029 --> 00:31:53.359 So I have, I have dreams all the time about build this and build 00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.194 that, and I should say that I work problems out in my dreams, right? 00:31:56.866 --> 00:32:00.374 So if it's something on my mind, it's probably me trying to come 00:32:00.374 --> 00:32:01.664 up with this stuff in my brain. 00:32:01.949 --> 00:32:02.339 Gab: Yeah. 00:32:02.699 --> 00:32:06.359 Jody: But I, I'll get the weird dreams where, you know, something tells me 00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:09.829 to build something and I've written it in my journal and I've drawn a sketch 00:32:09.829 --> 00:32:13.339 of it, you know, like I have an idea of what I'm supposed to build visually 00:32:13.339 --> 00:32:15.229 that I've seen in my, you know, my sleep 00:32:15.327 --> 00:32:17.237 . But I'm not an engineer either. 00:32:18.007 --> 00:32:18.427 Gab: yeah. 00:32:18.927 --> 00:32:20.729 Jody: I mean, I am, I'm a different kind of engineer. 00:32:20.912 --> 00:32:21.932 I'm a software developer, 00:32:22.302 --> 00:32:25.926 . Gab: plus it's hard to take the, to find the time to do things like that. 00:32:25.947 --> 00:32:26.667 Jody: It really is. 00:32:26.667 --> 00:32:28.617 I still haven't built my Lego Game Boy set. 00:32:29.117 --> 00:32:30.317 I've had that since October. 00:32:30.332 --> 00:32:30.662 Gab: Yeah. 00:32:31.114 --> 00:32:32.794 So what did you mean when you said tool sets? 00:32:33.294 --> 00:32:35.464 Jody: Um, let me answer your question first. 00:32:35.514 --> 00:32:37.734 I am looking to build a box. 00:32:37.824 --> 00:32:39.294 I am going to start tinkering. 00:32:39.794 --> 00:32:40.034 Gab: Yeah. 00:32:40.055 --> 00:32:41.009 Jody: I can't solder. 00:32:41.909 --> 00:32:43.589 I mean, I'm sure I could probably teach myself. 00:32:43.589 --> 00:32:45.262 It's not, I don't think it's that hard. 00:32:45.434 --> 00:32:45.824 Gab: Right. 00:32:46.324 --> 00:32:48.289 I could solder, so I know it's not that hard. 00:32:48.304 --> 00:32:49.534 Jody: You did it once with your dad. 00:32:50.567 --> 00:32:51.987 Gab: No, I've made stuff. 00:32:52.037 --> 00:32:52.667 Jody: Oh have you really? 00:32:52.707 --> 00:32:53.025 Gab: Yeah. 00:32:53.580 --> 00:32:54.442 I've soldered things. 00:32:54.552 --> 00:32:54.672 Jody: I did not know that. 00:32:54.847 --> 00:32:55.927 I'm learning something today. 00:32:56.427 --> 00:32:56.697 Gab: Yeah. 00:32:57.197 --> 00:32:59.527 Plus I took an electrical Class. 00:33:00.407 --> 00:33:01.502 Like electric shop. 00:33:01.502 --> 00:33:04.112 It was called, like when we were in middle school, we had to 00:33:04.112 --> 00:33:06.392 take electric shop, wood shop, 00:33:06.892 --> 00:33:07.072 Jody: yeah. 00:33:07.102 --> 00:33:08.388 'cause you got all the cool classes 00:33:08.388 --> 00:33:08.418 Gab: and 00:33:08.418 --> 00:33:08.568 Jody: you went 00:33:08.628 --> 00:33:09.038 Gab: and computer shop 00:33:09.668 --> 00:33:09.788 Jody: probably 00:33:09.788 --> 00:33:09.868 Gab: I think 00:33:10.108 --> 00:33:10.188 Jody: yeah. 00:33:10.188 --> 00:33:11.068 Gab: There was three. 00:33:11.068 --> 00:33:11.248 Jody: Wood shop? 00:33:11.248 --> 00:33:13.794 Electric and like Home Ec or something like that. 00:33:13.794 --> 00:33:14.242 Gab: Computer. 00:33:14.973 --> 00:33:16.009 I think it was, Yeah. 00:33:16.544 --> 00:33:19.394 So part of electric Shop was, he was teaching you things like 00:33:19.394 --> 00:33:19.784 that. 00:33:19.784 --> 00:33:20.054 That's cool. 00:33:20.414 --> 00:33:20.684 Yeah. 00:33:20.744 --> 00:33:25.384 And we had like little thing where we would like hammer in like metal rivets. 00:33:25.864 --> 00:33:27.874 Um, we learned how to solder. 00:33:27.874 --> 00:33:29.584 We learned like a few things. 00:33:30.084 --> 00:33:30.244 Yeah. 00:33:30.304 --> 00:33:32.194 I've soldered things not much as an adult. 00:33:32.194 --> 00:33:33.204 Like once or twice 00:33:33.764 --> 00:33:34.124 Jody: Oh, wow. 00:33:34.134 --> 00:33:36.604 Yeah I went to Catholic school, so 00:33:36.964 --> 00:33:38.149 I, I didn't get any of that. 00:33:38.556 --> 00:33:40.463 Gab: Also, I have a sister. 00:33:40.463 --> 00:33:41.633 It's just me and my sister. 00:33:41.633 --> 00:33:43.613 So like, you know, we were 00:33:43.613 --> 00:33:45.433 like girl sons. 00:33:45.523 --> 00:33:45.613 Jody: Mm-hmm. 00:33:45.703 --> 00:33:46.543 Gab: For our dad. 00:33:46.543 --> 00:33:49.990 Nobody has more faith in their daughter than a dad without sons. 00:33:50.456 --> 00:33:54.120 So we learned quite a few tricks along the way. 00:33:54.345 --> 00:33:55.965 Jody: Oh, he didn't teach you how to shovel snow, I guess. 00:33:55.965 --> 00:33:56.145 Huh? 00:33:56.726 --> 00:33:57.211 Gab: He didn't. 00:33:57.211 --> 00:33:58.761 He shoveled for us. 00:33:58.806 --> 00:33:59.136 Okay. 00:33:59.636 --> 00:34:00.626 Unlike some people. 00:34:00.626 --> 00:34:00.956 No. 00:34:01.506 --> 00:34:02.026 Jody: Like who? 00:34:02.491 --> 00:34:03.961 Gab: He used to clean off my car. 00:34:04.096 --> 00:34:04.696 Jody: Oh, come on. 00:34:04.816 --> 00:34:05.716 I clean off your car. 00:34:06.216 --> 00:34:08.106 I do that for You I do. 00:34:08.106 --> 00:34:10.536 We all five cars, I clean off. 00:34:11.036 --> 00:34:11.511 My God. 00:34:12.028 --> 00:34:12.191 Yeah. 00:34:12.191 --> 00:34:13.241 So I'm, I'm tinkering. 00:34:13.241 --> 00:34:16.651 I have, I have a little kit box and I have some ideas. 00:34:16.651 --> 00:34:16.711 Gab: Yeah. 00:34:16.981 --> 00:34:20.010 Jody: To build an Estes box, you know, just tinkering. 00:34:21.491 --> 00:34:24.247 reading and listening and watching YouTube videos and 00:34:24.777 --> 00:34:25.017 Gab: Yeah. 00:34:25.568 --> 00:34:28.657 Jody: Putting stuff together and saying, oh, this is how I can build 00:34:28.657 --> 00:34:31.839 it . I think I could do that in a way that requires no soldering. 00:34:32.214 --> 00:34:32.574 Gab: Right. 00:34:33.074 --> 00:34:35.324 Jody: And I just haven't put it together yet. 00:34:35.434 --> 00:34:35.724 Gab: Yeah. 00:34:36.224 --> 00:34:39.464 Jody: Then the other part is figuring out why it's different from, you know, 00:34:39.464 --> 00:34:41.504 just a, a spirit box in headphones. 00:34:41.504 --> 00:34:44.584 Why this box needs to be built a certain way. 00:34:45.084 --> 00:34:48.084 You know, why is that, why is that little bit of a difference? 00:34:48.124 --> 00:34:49.864 What is causing it to be more effective? 00:34:50.601 --> 00:34:50.924 You know? 00:34:51.179 --> 00:34:51.479 Gab: Yeah. 00:34:51.729 --> 00:34:52.899 Jody: But back to tool sets. 00:34:53.896 --> 00:34:56.062 So what do we use when we go on investigations? 00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:57.354 Gab: Oh, okay. 00:34:57.597 --> 00:34:58.657 Like literal tools, 00:34:58.952 --> 00:34:59.312 Jody: Standard tools. 00:34:59.312 --> 00:34:59.552 Yeah. 00:34:59.737 --> 00:35:03.327 Gab: Um, the recorders, the audio recorders. 00:35:03.827 --> 00:35:04.457 Um. 00:35:04.957 --> 00:35:05.917 The cat balls. 00:35:05.917 --> 00:35:06.877 I hate calling them that. 00:35:07.334 --> 00:35:12.177 The motion activated, um, balls that we use that light up, 00:35:12.677 --> 00:35:13.787 Jody: Which some people hate. 00:35:14.027 --> 00:35:14.447 Gab: Yeah. 00:35:14.484 --> 00:35:14.777 Jody: Yeah. 00:35:14.777 --> 00:35:15.827 We're finding that out now. 00:35:15.827 --> 00:35:15.887 Yeah. 00:35:15.887 --> 00:35:16.337 'cause Of 00:35:16.337 --> 00:35:18.947 uh, something about the electronics, the way they're built and the filament 00:35:18.997 --> 00:35:19.447 Gab: yeah. 00:35:19.567 --> 00:35:21.684 They're sensitive to heat and cold. 00:35:22.184 --> 00:35:22.874 Jody: Well differences. 00:35:22.874 --> 00:35:23.084 Right. 00:35:23.084 --> 00:35:23.804 In temperature. 00:35:23.809 --> 00:35:24.049 Yeah. 00:35:24.069 --> 00:35:24.794 Is what Yeah. 00:35:24.944 --> 00:35:26.144 Gab: Extreme heat or cold? 00:35:26.144 --> 00:35:26.864 Well, no, yeah. 00:35:27.254 --> 00:35:28.064 Fluctuation. 00:35:28.294 --> 00:35:28.515 Jody: Yeah. 00:35:28.783 --> 00:35:31.033 Gab: Uh, we use the spirit box. 00:35:31.983 --> 00:35:36.863 Not really a K2 meter very much, just 'cause I don't, I don't know. 00:35:36.863 --> 00:35:41.203 Those are things that I've never really put much into K2 meters, REM pods. 00:35:41.713 --> 00:35:46.103 I've never really seen them produce positive results. 00:35:46.538 --> 00:35:49.658 That are definitive that you could be like, that's definitely, 00:35:49.883 --> 00:35:50.303 Jody: well, one 00:35:50.303 --> 00:35:50.903 time for me. 00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:54.669 have to, you know, I'd have to question it at our son in investigation 00:35:54.759 --> 00:35:58.979 again, I can't prove that, you know, anything specifically was 00:35:59.199 --> 00:35:59.619 Gab: Right. 00:35:59.859 --> 00:36:01.209 Jody: You know, was or was not interacting with it. 00:36:01.722 --> 00:36:02.639 I mean, that's the thing though, right? 00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:03.509 Everybody wants proof. 00:36:03.509 --> 00:36:05.279 They want like, oh, you gotta get on video. 00:36:05.279 --> 00:36:05.789 That's proof. 00:36:05.819 --> 00:36:05.939 You 00:36:05.939 --> 00:36:06.449 know, like if 00:36:06.454 --> 00:36:06.744 Gab: yeah. 00:36:07.244 --> 00:36:09.974 Jody: Entity walks up to it and grabs it and you catch that on, 00:36:09.979 --> 00:36:13.304 on, on video, you know, or shadow or something, then you know, and 00:36:13.304 --> 00:36:14.804 even that's not definitive proof, 00:36:14.894 --> 00:36:14.954 Gab: No. 00:36:14.954 --> 00:36:15.487 you know what I mean? 00:36:15.989 --> 00:36:18.849 Jody: Again, reframing my whole perspective on these things, you know 00:36:19.349 --> 00:36:21.262 what's considered definitive proof? 00:36:21.602 --> 00:36:22.003 Gab: Yeah. 00:36:22.541 --> 00:36:24.236 We use the thermal camera now. 00:36:24.736 --> 00:36:25.049 Jody: Mm-hmm. 00:36:25.330 --> 00:36:28.196 Gab: Motion lights we started using. 00:36:28.269 --> 00:36:28.539 Jody: Yep. 00:36:29.041 --> 00:36:30.472 Gab: A couple months ago What else? 00:36:31.696 --> 00:36:32.822 tarot cards, We started using 00:36:32.867 --> 00:36:33.632 Jody: Tarot cards, yeah. 00:36:34.237 --> 00:36:35.437 You started doing pulls? 00:36:36.217 --> 00:36:36.457 Yep. 00:36:36.957 --> 00:36:37.647 Gab: The light grid. 00:36:38.147 --> 00:36:38.357 Jody: Yeah. 00:36:38.357 --> 00:36:39.137 I don't know about that one. 00:36:39.637 --> 00:36:40.657 Gab: I don't know either. 00:36:40.717 --> 00:36:42.367 Jody: It's an extra piece of equipment to be carrying 00:36:42.487 --> 00:36:42.847 Gab: Yeah. 00:36:42.847 --> 00:36:44.947 It doesn't always last. 00:36:44.947 --> 00:36:45.697 Like I feel like, 00:36:45.712 --> 00:36:46.492 Jody: oh, it dies quick. 00:36:46.622 --> 00:36:48.982 Gab: It die very quick, very quickly. 00:36:49.482 --> 00:36:51.972 Jody: Plus, I mean, the way light works too, the way I think about it 00:36:51.972 --> 00:36:55.422 is like something physical has to stop the light from passing through it. 00:36:55.782 --> 00:36:59.402 And if spirits don't have a physical body 00:36:59.402 --> 00:37:01.767 then, why does that make sense? 00:37:02.007 --> 00:37:02.157 Gab: Right. 00:37:02.337 --> 00:37:02.607 Jody: You know? 00:37:02.607 --> 00:37:02.667 Yeah. 00:37:03.147 --> 00:37:03.327 Gab: Yeah. 00:37:03.827 --> 00:37:03.977 Jody: What 00:37:03.977 --> 00:37:04.457 else do we do? 00:37:04.957 --> 00:37:05.527 Oh, the Estes. 00:37:06.027 --> 00:37:06.297 Gab: Yeah. 00:37:06.297 --> 00:37:07.017 That's not really a 00:37:07.137 --> 00:37:07.587 tool. 00:37:07.587 --> 00:37:07.652 It's 00:37:07.707 --> 00:37:08.817 Jody: a combination of tools 00:37:09.068 --> 00:37:09.217 Gab: Yeah. 00:37:09.717 --> 00:37:11.612 Jody: A method of investigating. 00:37:12.122 --> 00:37:13.222 Which we always call what? 00:37:13.432 --> 00:37:16.092 Uh, electronics assisted 00:37:16.342 --> 00:37:17.782 Gab: Electronic medium ship. 00:37:17.797 --> 00:37:18.097 Jody: Yeah. 00:37:18.097 --> 00:37:18.907 Electronic mediumship. 00:37:19.407 --> 00:37:19.767 Gab: Yeah. 00:37:19.977 --> 00:37:21.807 Very big on spiritualism. 00:37:22.260 --> 00:37:23.670 The ones who started it all. 00:37:24.125 --> 00:37:27.720 I feel like there's so much to take from there. 00:37:27.915 --> 00:37:28.215 Jody: Yeah. 00:37:28.722 --> 00:37:30.155 Gab: And learn and grow on. 00:37:30.655 --> 00:37:34.615 And I just feel like people are so focused on what people are doing now that they 00:37:34.615 --> 00:37:36.655 don't look back to how this started. 00:37:37.045 --> 00:37:41.415 I mean, I'm not saying like, let's grab some cheesecloth and um, 00:37:41.445 --> 00:37:43.035 stick it places it doesn't belong. 00:37:43.535 --> 00:37:43.985 But 00:37:44.405 --> 00:37:47.705 I'm saying like, you know, like they did have, and I mean, 00:37:47.705 --> 00:37:50.575 most of it was kind of faked. 00:37:50.785 --> 00:37:51.085 Jody: Yeah. 00:37:51.145 --> 00:37:56.405 Gab: But they still had some interesting thoughts, you know, that 00:37:56.405 --> 00:37:58.584 I still feel like we can use today. 00:37:59.895 --> 00:38:01.635 If it isn't broke, don't fix it. 00:38:02.147 --> 00:38:03.125 You know, like kind 00:38:03.180 --> 00:38:04.535 Jody: improve it, make it better. 00:38:05.195 --> 00:38:05.375 Yeah. 00:38:05.375 --> 00:38:07.062 Use the tools you have today. 00:38:07.235 --> 00:38:07.865 Gab: Yeah. 00:38:07.895 --> 00:38:12.625 Like go back to how they did it and how can we improve on that today. 00:38:12.925 --> 00:38:13.566 And do it. 00:38:14.134 --> 00:38:16.484 Ethically, not in a way where you're, you know, 00:38:16.970 --> 00:38:18.104 Jody: Taking advantage of people. 00:38:18.444 --> 00:38:20.094 Gab: Right and creating your own haunting 00:38:20.244 --> 00:38:20.324 Jody: yeah. 00:38:20.939 --> 00:38:21.299 Gab: Yeah. 00:38:21.799 --> 00:38:26.929 So with all the new things we've done and the places 00:38:26.929 --> 00:38:34.851 we've taken things, do you think that you have any type of, like, psychic abilities? 00:38:35.101 --> 00:38:36.001 Jody: Uh, no. 00:38:36.301 --> 00:38:36.751 Still No. 00:38:37.531 --> 00:38:42.821 I think the way I want to answer that is, I wanna say definitively no, but I, 00:38:42.821 --> 00:38:45.521 think the human mind is a weird thing. 00:38:46.010 --> 00:38:46.456 Gab: Mm-hmm. 00:38:46.832 --> 00:38:50.272 Jody: I mean, there's studies going on now where they're studying human 00:38:50.272 --> 00:38:53.482 brains and they're putting monitors on and they're finding out that 00:38:53.722 --> 00:38:56.947 your brain is active, milliseconds before you receive a question. 00:38:57.974 --> 00:39:01.184 like anticipating what the question's gonna be, what your answer's gonna be 00:39:01.184 --> 00:39:03.484 before the question is even asked. 00:39:03.589 --> 00:39:03.889 Gab: Right. 00:39:04.389 --> 00:39:07.299 Jody: And I dunno how I feel about that, because that seems like. 00:39:07.799 --> 00:39:09.539 That seems like we're living inside a computer. 00:39:09.539 --> 00:39:10.109 You know what I mean? 00:39:10.109 --> 00:39:10.199 Right. 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:10.574 Like it's it's a 00:39:10.589 --> 00:39:11.309 simulation. 00:39:11.715 --> 00:39:12.555 and that's scary. 00:39:12.815 --> 00:39:16.955 Or, you know, our brains are, are quantum computers and there's more 00:39:16.955 --> 00:39:18.545 to them than just the physical body. 00:39:18.545 --> 00:39:20.405 Is there something happening outside of the body? 00:39:20.655 --> 00:39:21.015 Gab: Right. 00:39:21.515 --> 00:39:24.865 It makes me think of mushrooms and how they have the, like, 00:39:25.255 --> 00:39:26.875 um, what are they called? 00:39:27.725 --> 00:39:27.965 Jody: I don't know 00:39:27.995 --> 00:39:28.645 Gab: The-parts that like 00:39:28.685 --> 00:39:29.335 Jody: Where ya going with this. 00:39:29.365 --> 00:39:29.975 Gab: They're like roots. 00:39:30.005 --> 00:39:30.765 Jody: Oh, mycelium. 00:39:31.655 --> 00:39:31.685 Gab: Yes. 00:39:31.685 --> 00:39:32.775 I didn't think that was the word. 00:39:32.805 --> 00:39:33.700 It coming my head. 00:39:33.910 --> 00:39:34.620 Jody: No it's, it's mycelium. 00:39:34.785 --> 00:39:36.585 Gab: Um, but I was like, that doesn't sound right. 00:39:36.630 --> 00:39:36.750 Jody: Yeah. 00:39:36.750 --> 00:39:38.010 The mushroom is just the fruit. 00:39:38.514 --> 00:39:41.750 The, the brains of the operation are, is everything that's growing underground. 00:39:41.750 --> 00:39:42.710 It's all interconnected. 00:39:42.710 --> 00:39:45.290 And, and now trees, they're finding trees communicate using 00:39:45.290 --> 00:39:46.610 mycelium from tree to tree. 00:39:47.110 --> 00:39:50.580 There's like this network of of fungus underground. 00:39:50.671 --> 00:39:50.745 Gab: Yeah. 00:39:50.750 --> 00:39:51.030 Right. 00:39:51.135 --> 00:39:55.195 And it's like, do our brains use electric waves? 00:39:55.435 --> 00:39:57.145 Electricity frequencies? 00:39:57.415 --> 00:39:59.905 Like mushrooms use mycelium. 00:40:00.405 --> 00:40:00.615 Jody: Yeah. 00:40:00.615 --> 00:40:02.745 And again, the mycelium is like a physical thing, right? 00:40:02.913 --> 00:40:03.050 Gab: Right. 00:40:03.085 --> 00:40:04.375 Jody: The, mushroom's just the fruit. 00:40:04.375 --> 00:40:08.885 But it's, it, the idea is that you see the mushroom, you don't see the network. 00:40:09.169 --> 00:40:12.049 That it's, you know, that it's coming from, there's a whole forest of 00:40:12.424 --> 00:40:12.904 Gab: Right. 00:40:13.404 --> 00:40:16.164 Jody: fungus underground that's creating all this. 00:40:16.164 --> 00:40:17.109 Gab: And is that our brains work? 00:40:17.609 --> 00:40:19.444 Like we don't see where it's coming from 00:40:19.484 --> 00:40:20.624 Jody: without a physical, 00:40:21.644 --> 00:40:23.774 Without a physical, you know, hidden connection. 00:40:23.774 --> 00:40:24.104 You know what I 00:40:24.104 --> 00:40:24.224 mean? 00:40:24.224 --> 00:40:24.314 Right. 00:40:24.314 --> 00:40:24.854 Like something 00:40:24.854 --> 00:40:25.334 that's 00:40:25.709 --> 00:40:29.302 Gab: like, are we all connected to something, which I feel like goes 00:40:29.302 --> 00:40:30.982 back to the research that we're doing. 00:40:31.482 --> 00:40:31.962 Right. 00:40:32.022 --> 00:40:32.262 Is 00:40:32.307 --> 00:40:32.457 Jody: Is there 00:40:33.012 --> 00:40:36.402 Gab: that we're all connected to that we can tap into? 00:40:36.902 --> 00:40:38.107 To do this work? 00:40:38.357 --> 00:40:43.160 Something, you know, more divine that we can tap into that we've all 00:40:43.160 --> 00:40:45.410 lost an ability to connect with. 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.280 Jody: Well, as long as you're not talking about becoming born 00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:50.250 again and drinking Kool-Aid. 00:40:50.750 --> 00:40:50.900 No. 00:40:50.900 --> 00:40:51.440 Oh my God. 00:40:51.940 --> 00:40:52.810 That's a joke. 00:40:54.185 --> 00:40:54.820 Gab: That's a joke. 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.870 Jody: There's a local team here that we think has become born again 00:40:57.870 --> 00:40:59.849 and they have flipped their shit. 00:41:00.372 --> 00:41:02.810 And I do not like talking shit on anybody. 00:41:02.810 --> 00:41:06.560 But these guys are not good for this community at all. 00:41:06.699 --> 00:41:07.237 Gab: No. 00:41:07.484 --> 00:41:09.764 Jody: and it's not the same local team we always give praise to. 00:41:10.264 --> 00:41:11.799 Gab: No, it's definitely not. 00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:17.409 just feel, like I, again, it comes back to that initiation. 00:41:17.919 --> 00:41:22.704 You know, that I guess we accepted and and 00:41:22.809 --> 00:41:25.049 Jody: We are still, well, we we completed the initiation. 00:41:26.324 --> 00:41:27.469 Gab: Now we're in the next phase 00:41:27.765 --> 00:41:28.604 Jody: Now we're in the next phase. 00:41:28.689 --> 00:41:29.169 Exactly. 00:41:29.469 --> 00:41:30.454 Gab: Or even the phase-after-that 00:41:30.875 --> 00:41:31.055 Jody: And 00:41:31.055 --> 00:41:31.655 what is that? 00:41:31.655 --> 00:41:31.715 Um, 00:41:32.169 --> 00:41:33.390 Gab: you know, I mean, I don't know. 00:41:33.420 --> 00:41:37.698 'cause it's really hard for me to read, read a book like a physical book. 00:41:38.270 --> 00:41:38.360 Jody: I know, 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:39.710 Gab: i'm more of an audio book girl. 00:41:40.228 --> 00:41:44.290 And there's two books that I really wanna read that I can only read books of. 00:41:44.794 --> 00:41:48.061 and one of them is the archetype of initiation, so 00:41:48.651 --> 00:41:53.591 it's hard, and that's another thing that I've gotten into recently is archetypes 00:41:53.591 --> 00:41:55.481 and how they connect to different things. 00:41:55.731 --> 00:42:01.891 Like, almost like semiotics, which goes back to our investigation at the Pike 00:42:01.901 --> 00:42:02.231 Jody: County 00:42:02.381 --> 00:42:03.391 Gab: historical society 00:42:03.391 --> 00:42:04.061 Jody: What's the difference? 00:42:04.721 --> 00:42:06.911 Archetypes are something that's, that's primal, right? 00:42:07.121 --> 00:42:08.141 It's in our brains. 00:42:08.141 --> 00:42:08.951 It's built into 00:42:08.951 --> 00:42:10.211 us, right. 00:42:10.541 --> 00:42:11.441 We're born with it. 00:42:11.711 --> 00:42:11.921 Gab: Right. 00:42:11.921 --> 00:42:12.491 It's something that 00:42:12.491 --> 00:42:13.661 Jody: primal knowledge. 00:42:13.661 --> 00:42:13.931 Yeah. 00:42:13.991 --> 00:42:18.491 Gab: That has been already decided for us generations before we've 00:42:18.491 --> 00:42:19.211 existed 00:42:19.241 --> 00:42:20.351 Jody: where it's in our wiring, 00:42:21.011 --> 00:42:21.251 Yeah. 00:42:21.756 --> 00:42:24.781 So like the big ones, like, you know, like what an angel and a demon. 00:42:24.781 --> 00:42:26.761 Those are two big archetypes, right? 00:42:26.766 --> 00:42:26.856 Gab: Mm-hmm. 00:42:27.763 --> 00:42:29.413 Jody: I can't believe I use that as an example. 00:42:29.923 --> 00:42:33.528 I brought, yeah, that's my Catholic school upbringing, but I mean, 00:42:33.528 --> 00:42:34.788 really that's what it is, right? 00:42:34.788 --> 00:42:34.848 Gab: Yeah. 00:42:35.348 --> 00:42:38.025 Jody: And then even with our, forest shadow, you have the 00:42:38.025 --> 00:42:40.955 archetype of, the green man or 00:42:41.056 --> 00:42:41.405 Gab: Right, 00:42:42.029 --> 00:42:44.721 Jody: if want to go above that, you go to something like Pan. 00:42:45.221 --> 00:42:45.461 Gab: Yeah. 00:42:45.521 --> 00:42:46.961 Jody: You know, which is like a horn. 00:42:46.961 --> 00:42:48.604 God, that's another archetype, 00:42:48.604 --> 00:42:48.904 you know? 00:42:48.994 --> 00:42:49.354 Gab: Right. 00:42:49.854 --> 00:42:50.689 Watch her in the woods, 00:42:51.029 --> 00:42:53.394 the forest guardian, the 00:42:53.394 --> 00:42:53.844 Yeah. 00:42:54.344 --> 00:42:56.564 Somebody who watches over the liminal space 00:42:57.044 --> 00:42:59.684 Jody: And then semiotics, that looks at symbolism and 00:42:59.984 --> 00:43:00.434 Gab: Right. 00:43:00.764 --> 00:43:02.937 Why we assign these meanings to things. 00:43:03.417 --> 00:43:03.747 Jody: Yeah. 00:43:03.900 --> 00:43:05.520 Through signs or, or 00:43:06.013 --> 00:43:06.373 Gab: yeah. 00:43:06.873 --> 00:43:07.323 symbols. 00:43:07.588 --> 00:43:08.158 Jody: Images and symbols. 00:43:08.158 --> 00:43:08.408 Yeah. 00:43:08.596 --> 00:43:08.798 Gab: Yeah. 00:43:09.298 --> 00:43:13.728 And that's why we bring up semiotics, because at Pike County Historical 00:43:13.728 --> 00:43:15.645 Society, they have an exhibit. 00:43:15.673 --> 00:43:17.103 Jody: It's almost like a universal language. 00:43:17.183 --> 00:43:17.383 Gab: Right. 00:43:17.383 --> 00:43:20.523 Jody: You don't You don't have to speak the, I get it 00:43:20.533 --> 00:43:20.563 Gab: Right. 00:43:20.563 --> 00:43:21.383 You use a sign and a symbol. 00:43:21.585 --> 00:43:24.635 And that's kind of, we bring that up because Charles 00:43:24.955 --> 00:43:27.095 Pierce, his works are there. 00:43:27.095 --> 00:43:30.725 Charles and his wife juliet, they have an exhibit at the Pike 00:43:30.725 --> 00:43:34.905 County Historical Society, and that's kind of his work pragmatism 00:43:34.955 --> 00:43:35.215 Jody: They have 00:43:35.215 --> 00:43:35.955 Gab: and semiotics 00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:37.340 Jody: a bookcase that you can't get into. 00:43:37.505 --> 00:43:37.955 Gab: Right. 00:43:37.955 --> 00:43:39.485 Of his like original 00:43:39.725 --> 00:43:40.355 texts. 00:43:40.355 --> 00:43:43.255 It's really, his work is very interesting. 00:43:43.420 --> 00:43:44.440 Jody: Are his text mass produced? 00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:45.280 Like could you, could you 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:46.260 get a get ahold of some? 00:43:46.565 --> 00:43:47.735 Gab: Yeah I found like audio books. 00:43:48.501 --> 00:43:48.525 Jody: okay. 00:43:48.525 --> 00:43:48.935 Yeah. 00:43:49.245 --> 00:43:49.575 Gab: Yeah. 00:43:49.655 --> 00:43:51.505 And I used like the library apps. 00:43:52.005 --> 00:43:54.176 And you could find his works through there. 00:43:54.695 --> 00:43:57.275 Um, you can't always find like an audio book. 00:43:57.515 --> 00:44:01.045 Some of them are just like eBooks, but, they're interesting. 00:44:01.295 --> 00:44:02.915 And what else was I gonna relate that to? 00:44:03.665 --> 00:44:04.595 Oh, and the collective 00:44:04.595 --> 00:44:05.248 unconscious. 00:44:05.498 --> 00:44:08.888 How we all have like, preconceived notions about things and how when 00:44:08.888 --> 00:44:13.058 you're working in this field with spirits, how they can almost like 00:44:13.088 --> 00:44:15.345 pull from your unconscious mind. 00:44:15.845 --> 00:44:16.655 Jody: Can they push too? 00:44:17.120 --> 00:44:17.815 Gab: I'm sure they could, 00:44:18.875 --> 00:44:19.825 Jody: you know, it's a, 00:44:19.989 --> 00:44:20.785 know, it's a good question. 00:44:20.850 --> 00:44:25.110 Gab: They can pull from your unconscious mind, like archetypes that you have and 00:44:25.110 --> 00:44:29.210 then push that information to help you understand what they're trying to say. 00:44:29.435 --> 00:44:30.915 Jody: Oh, 'cause they may not speak in your 00:44:30.915 --> 00:44:31.575 language, or, yeah. 00:44:31.885 --> 00:44:35.510 Gab: They might not speak in your way of speaking, you know, 00:44:35.510 --> 00:44:36.740 but they might be able to give 00:44:36.740 --> 00:44:37.070 you 00:44:37.075 --> 00:44:37.985 Jody: speak in symbols, 00:44:37.985 --> 00:44:38.475 and signs 00:44:38.565 --> 00:44:42.988 Gab: Signs and symbols and phrases that help you connect to something else. 00:44:43.735 --> 00:44:45.025 Jody: this is really where we're going with this, huh? 00:44:45.610 --> 00:44:46.240 Gab: Yeah. 00:44:46.740 --> 00:44:47.160 Jody: Yeah. 00:44:47.410 --> 00:44:48.310 It makes sense. 00:44:48.445 --> 00:44:48.835 Gab: Yeah. 00:44:49.335 --> 00:44:53.958 And it all goes back to like, are we all connected, like even after 00:44:54.447 --> 00:44:58.862 you've passed away, like does that mean, does your energy stay here? 00:44:58.862 --> 00:45:03.202 Are you still able to pull from someone's energy? 00:45:03.832 --> 00:45:07.691 And use it, you know, are they still able to connect to yours? 00:45:08.191 --> 00:45:10.021 Jody: Why do people see the same entities? 00:45:10.522 --> 00:45:11.761 ' Gab: cause you go to archetypes 00:45:11.870 --> 00:45:14.635 Jody: Like you have the hat man and you have um, 00:45:15.135 --> 00:45:16.045 you know, bigfoot. 00:45:16.475 --> 00:45:16.865 Gab: Yeah. 00:45:17.165 --> 00:45:20.818 I mean, even seeing like full body apparitions is new. 00:45:21.075 --> 00:45:23.238 We didn't always see a full body apparition. 00:45:23.288 --> 00:45:25.958 You know, like we used to see spirits differently. 00:45:26.531 --> 00:45:30.179 You know, you think of the ghost in the sheet archetype, but that goes 00:45:30.179 --> 00:45:34.229 back to Victorian morning practices and funeral practices when they 00:45:34.229 --> 00:45:35.939 would cover people in shrouds. 00:45:36.074 --> 00:45:36.284 Jody: Right. 00:45:36.369 --> 00:45:36.969 Gab: For burial. 00:45:37.489 --> 00:45:40.419 And that was what the ghost was covered in, it was their burial shroud. 00:45:40.959 --> 00:45:45.069 That is what a sheet on a ghost is is a Victorian burial shroud. 00:45:45.264 --> 00:45:46.524 Jody: Then the lanterns in the woods. 00:45:47.024 --> 00:45:48.374 Spook lights, whatever they call them. 00:45:48.374 --> 00:45:48.614 Right. 00:45:49.654 --> 00:45:53.324 And they thought that they were, they were given these lights to find their way. 00:45:53.824 --> 00:45:54.124 Gab: Yeah. 00:45:54.289 --> 00:45:54.589 Jody: You know, 00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:55.399 to the afterlife 00:45:55.449 --> 00:45:55.719 Gab: yeah. 00:45:55.899 --> 00:45:57.759 There's so many beliefs around that. 00:45:58.259 --> 00:46:02.024 Different like practices for when people got into the afterlife. 00:46:02.381 --> 00:46:06.841 But yeah, I mean, I feel like, you just kind of, in a way, have to go back again 00:46:07.127 --> 00:46:09.407 to spiritualism, to the Victorian times. 00:46:09.717 --> 00:46:11.842 I mean, you could go a lot further than that too, if you want. 00:46:11.982 --> 00:46:12.096 So 00:46:12.147 --> 00:46:12.327 Jody: So you 00:46:12.327 --> 00:46:14.817 gotta get out of your box, out of your little box. 00:46:15.376 --> 00:46:17.027 Gab: Right, right. 00:46:17.087 --> 00:46:21.347 Out of the preconceived notions that you have because of the TV shows that you've 00:46:21.347 --> 00:46:23.567 watched and what they've taught you. 00:46:23.627 --> 00:46:25.007 It's so much bigger than that. 00:46:25.507 --> 00:46:27.007 Jody: Out of the frying pan into the fire. 00:46:27.783 --> 00:46:28.507 You know where that's from? 00:46:29.787 --> 00:46:31.317 Oh, I'm disappointed in you. 00:46:31.737 --> 00:46:32.511 Gab: I don't know. 00:46:32.645 --> 00:46:33.165 Jody: It's the Hobbit. 00:46:34.642 --> 00:46:35.832 Gab: It's really from the Hobbit 00:46:36.112 --> 00:46:36.842 Jody: Oh, he used it 00:46:36.852 --> 00:46:38.582 Gab: was he alive in the Victorian times? 00:46:38.912 --> 00:46:39.602 I'm joking. 00:46:41.749 --> 00:46:42.679 What other thoughts? 00:46:43.179 --> 00:46:44.559 Jody: So we're past the initiation. 00:46:45.069 --> 00:46:45.469 Gab: Yeah. 00:46:45.479 --> 00:46:46.279 Jody: What are we doing here? 00:46:46.889 --> 00:46:47.409 Gab: I don't know. 00:46:47.929 --> 00:46:49.415 I guess I gotta read that book. 00:46:49.889 --> 00:46:51.074 Jody: I feel like that's part of this. 00:46:51.074 --> 00:46:53.054 Why we're, I don't wanna say we're in a funk, but 00:46:53.069 --> 00:46:53.359 I guess it's like 00:46:53.409 --> 00:46:54.089 Gab: It's like we're stalled 00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:55.189 Jody: We kind of are. 00:46:55.189 --> 00:46:55.399 Right? 00:46:55.399 --> 00:46:56.854 Like that's the mindset right now, right? 00:46:56.899 --> 00:46:56.959 Gab: Yeah. 00:46:56.959 --> 00:46:58.099 Jody: It feels like we're stalled. 00:46:58.623 --> 00:47:00.963 I feel like you can't just wait for something to happen. 00:47:01.178 --> 00:47:01.868 There's something 00:47:02.008 --> 00:47:02.708 Gab: Yeah and that's what I feel like 00:47:02.708 --> 00:47:02.898 we're doing. 00:47:02.898 --> 00:47:03.188 Jody: Yeah. 00:47:03.188 --> 00:47:05.523 There's something we have to do to push forward. 00:47:05.628 --> 00:47:05.986 Gab: Yeah. 00:47:06.488 --> 00:47:10.011 And I feel like our focus has to go back to our local 00:47:10.011 --> 00:47:11.481 spot where this all happened. 00:47:11.511 --> 00:47:14.811 Like we have to go back there more than once a month. 00:47:14.841 --> 00:47:19.811 We have to put our focus and our intentions there if we want to push 00:47:19.811 --> 00:47:22.331 through this phase that we're stuck in. 00:47:22.831 --> 00:47:24.241 Jody: And then where is it bringing us? 00:47:24.741 --> 00:47:26.616 Because again, we went in looking for ghosts 00:47:26.901 --> 00:47:27.385 and Right. 00:47:27.971 --> 00:47:30.521 Gab: I mean, maybe it brings us to a better understanding of how this 00:47:30.521 --> 00:47:32.741 all works and how we fit into it. 00:47:33.241 --> 00:47:35.491 Jody: Well, it's definitely brought me the understanding that there's more out 00:47:35.491 --> 00:47:37.614 there than just, know, dead people. 00:47:37.614 --> 00:47:37.704 Gab: Right. 00:47:38.300 --> 00:47:38.570 Jody: You know, 00:47:38.570 --> 00:47:39.740 walking around looking to talk to you. 00:47:40.221 --> 00:47:40.567 Gab: Yeah. 00:47:40.810 --> 00:47:44.280 I mean, um, I'm doing that thing you hate 00:47:44.560 --> 00:47:46.646 where I don't say a complete sentence 00:47:46.646 --> 00:47:47.917 Jody: Oh 'cause you're Phone surfing. 00:47:48.417 --> 00:47:51.304 Gabrielle made conversation will often get on her phone and just start. 00:47:51.304 --> 00:47:51.645 Gab: Yeah. 00:47:51.786 --> 00:47:54.434 Because my brain thinks of ideas to figure them out. 00:47:54.629 --> 00:47:54.929 Jody: Yeah. 00:47:54.929 --> 00:47:56.599 And she'll be taking notes and everything 00:47:56.915 --> 00:47:59.000 Gab: So let's see the phases of initiation. 00:47:59.624 --> 00:48:04.634 Define the purpose, set the boundaries, validate feasibility, approve the work. 00:48:05.134 --> 00:48:05.734 Um, 00:48:06.049 --> 00:48:08.659 Jody: I feel like, uh, that first part of the initiation, there 00:48:08.659 --> 00:48:10.249 were really no boundaries set. 00:48:10.699 --> 00:48:12.019 I think that came after 00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:13.059 Gab: yeah, 00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:16.499 Jody: Through mutual understanding, through bringing, uh, monthly 00:48:16.499 --> 00:48:19.169 offerings and stating our intent. 00:48:19.479 --> 00:48:23.459 Gab: I feel like our boundaries were tested. 00:48:23.775 --> 00:48:24.705 Jody: Yeah, it was a test 00:48:25.442 --> 00:48:26.665 Well that's what the initiation is. 00:48:26.729 --> 00:48:27.569 The initiation is a 00:48:27.569 --> 00:48:27.929 test. 00:48:27.932 --> 00:48:28.289 Gab: right? 00:48:28.289 --> 00:48:29.729 Like how will you react? 00:48:30.779 --> 00:48:33.509 I'm going to scare you in this way. 00:48:33.778 --> 00:48:36.459 testing you to see how you react. 00:48:37.010 --> 00:48:37.799 Will you be scared? 00:48:37.799 --> 00:48:38.369 Will you leave? 00:48:38.369 --> 00:48:39.279 Will you never come back? 00:48:39.279 --> 00:48:39.369 Jody: Right. 00:48:39.989 --> 00:48:41.749 Gab: But we've continue to come back. 00:48:41.749 --> 00:48:48.229 We've, you know, paid it, reverence, we've left offerings, we've acknowledged it. 00:48:48.585 --> 00:48:51.222 and now I feel like it's like, okay. 00:48:51.584 --> 00:48:53.357 You know, we've built rapport. 00:48:53.792 --> 00:48:54.054 Jody: Right. 00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:57.052 Gab: And I feel like it's like I see you. 00:48:57.399 --> 00:49:03.129 Maybe I don't have to watch you as hard as I watch other people when they're here. 00:49:03.129 --> 00:49:04.389 Mm-hmm. 00:49:04.390 --> 00:49:06.404 Um, but we are still definitely watched. 00:49:06.764 --> 00:49:07.124 Jody: Yeah. 00:49:07.304 --> 00:49:11.054 It still feels like you have eyes on your back when you're walking around there. 00:49:11.189 --> 00:49:11.520 Gab: Yeah. 00:49:12.049 --> 00:49:13.732 So it's three phases, 00:49:14.232 --> 00:49:18.002 separation or the departure where you leave behind the familiar, 00:49:18.002 --> 00:49:19.772 the comfortable, or the known. 00:49:20.437 --> 00:49:22.132 Jody: Which is, you know, what we went we to 00:49:22.132 --> 00:49:25.957 do there, we, we expected to go, you know, look at local legends and, 00:49:26.457 --> 00:49:26.817 you know, 00:49:27.351 --> 00:49:28.247 Go ghost hunting. 00:49:28.732 --> 00:49:31.712 Gab: And then you have the second phase, which is your liminal 00:49:31.712 --> 00:49:35.842 space, the threshold, the ordeal, the in-between stage 00:49:36.342 --> 00:49:40.302 central, chaotic, the sacred space of the initiation. 00:49:40.616 --> 00:49:45.356 Intense pressure testing ordeal designed to break down your old self 00:49:45.871 --> 00:49:46.111 Jody: yeah. 00:49:46.111 --> 00:49:47.216 I feel like that's where we're at now. 00:49:47.216 --> 00:49:48.776 Gab: Where you lose your structure. 00:49:49.864 --> 00:49:51.776 Suspension of normal reality. 00:49:52.674 --> 00:49:53.781 Confrontation with 00:49:53.816 --> 00:49:56.546 your own, like shadow self or your fears. 00:49:57.557 --> 00:50:00.196 And then the third phase is your reintegration, your 00:50:00.196 --> 00:50:02.946 return, You return to society. 00:50:02.976 --> 00:50:04.956 But you're now fundamentally changed. 00:50:04.956 --> 00:50:06.966 You're reborn, you're matured, you're elevated. 00:50:07.282 --> 00:50:10.915 You incorporate your wisdom, power, or new identity gained during the 00:50:10.915 --> 00:50:12.990 ordeal into your everyday life. 00:50:13.790 --> 00:50:17.470 this, I think, too, can be related in ways that doesn't 00:50:17.470 --> 00:50:19.830 just come back to the paranormal. 00:50:20.130 --> 00:50:20.220 Jody: Right. 00:50:20.220 --> 00:50:20.850 Gab: You know what I mean? 00:50:21.350 --> 00:50:24.200 Even in a professional job, you could look at it that way. 00:50:24.590 --> 00:50:27.570 You know, like, you've gone to college, you've learned this information 00:50:27.737 --> 00:50:28.937 . That's your initiation. 00:50:29.177 --> 00:50:31.607 Now you're taking the job, you're in the liminal phase. 00:50:31.967 --> 00:50:35.027 Now you are comfortable in your position, you're knowledgeable, 00:50:35.027 --> 00:50:36.320 you're looking for a promotion. 00:50:36.583 --> 00:50:37.123 There you go. 00:50:37.123 --> 00:50:39.101 You have, you're reintegration, 00:50:39.353 --> 00:50:42.793 like it's not just in this field where you're experiencing this, like 00:50:42.793 --> 00:50:44.413 you're experiencing this other ways. 00:50:44.683 --> 00:50:44.893 Jody: Right. 00:50:45.393 --> 00:50:46.743 Gab: Where do you think we go from here? 00:50:47.073 --> 00:50:48.663 Jody: I just think we're in the stuck phase. 00:50:48.753 --> 00:50:49.503 We're in the middle now. 00:50:49.804 --> 00:50:51.063 Gab: Yeah, we're in the middle phase. 00:50:51.570 --> 00:50:51.923 Yeah, 00:50:52.314 --> 00:50:53.813 Jody: We are in the liminal phase. 00:50:54.253 --> 00:50:54.613 Gab: Yeah. 00:50:54.613 --> 00:50:55.293 Jody: Is where we are. 00:50:55.293 --> 00:50:56.473 And it's exhausting 00:50:56.574 --> 00:50:58.273 Gab: it's probably why you use that word so much. 00:50:58.470 --> 00:50:58.508 Jody: Yeah. 00:51:01.243 --> 00:51:02.023 Don't you start now 00:51:03.907 --> 00:51:10.029 Gab: just in that liminal phase, trying to get through to the other side. 00:51:10.529 --> 00:51:10.961 Yeah. 00:51:11.261 --> 00:51:11.831 It's tough. 00:51:12.120 --> 00:51:13.325 Jody: I think we're all there right now. 00:51:13.385 --> 00:51:15.125 I think literally everybody, is there right 00:51:15.125 --> 00:51:15.365 now. 00:51:15.455 --> 00:51:15.875 Gab: Yeah. 00:51:16.375 --> 00:51:19.545 Jody: We're stuck in between the old world and the new world. 00:51:19.552 --> 00:51:19.967 Gab: Yeah. 00:51:20.467 --> 00:51:21.757 And what's on the other side. 00:51:21.997 --> 00:51:22.207 Jody: Yeah. 00:51:22.297 --> 00:51:23.227 That's the question, right? 00:51:23.227 --> 00:51:24.187 What is on the other side? 00:51:24.507 --> 00:51:25.557 And do we accept it? 00:51:26.057 --> 00:51:26.477 Gab: Yeah. 00:51:26.777 --> 00:51:31.207 I think it's important too, to say that you don't have to have any type of 00:51:31.207 --> 00:51:37.547 special like gift, special knowledge, understanding to do these things. 00:51:37.914 --> 00:51:39.314 you know, you just need your intuition. 00:51:39.314 --> 00:51:41.504 You just need to trust that, to work with that. 00:51:42.004 --> 00:51:42.814 Jody: Trust your gut. 00:51:42.814 --> 00:51:43.054 Yeah. 00:51:43.054 --> 00:51:43.954 Do the weird stuff. 00:51:43.974 --> 00:51:44.314 You know, 00:51:44.364 --> 00:51:44.834 Gab: Definitely. 00:51:44.834 --> 00:51:47.954 Jody: If you're into, if you're into this stuff, do an Estes session. 00:51:48.655 --> 00:51:48.974 You know, 00:51:49.244 --> 00:51:50.084 Gab: Don't do it alone, of course 00:51:50.338 --> 00:51:51.158 Jody: No, no. 00:51:51.483 --> 00:51:53.493 Gab: Um, do it with someone else. 00:51:53.643 --> 00:51:54.273 Jody: Riff on it. 00:51:54.513 --> 00:51:55.533 See if you could come up with a 00:51:55.533 --> 00:51:57.043 new, use for it. 00:51:57.043 --> 00:51:57.973 A new way of doing it. 00:51:58.003 --> 00:51:58.393 Gab: Yeah. 00:51:58.513 --> 00:52:00.029 Definitely trust your intuition. 00:52:00.573 --> 00:52:05.318 Work with it to kind of really understand how it works, how it 00:52:05.318 --> 00:52:09.658 guides you, you know, so you can really trust it when you do feel it. 00:52:10.005 --> 00:52:16.253 And then, you know, kind of see if you can move that into the ability to 00:52:16.525 --> 00:52:16.885 work 00:52:16.885 --> 00:52:20.935 with maybe a psychic ability that you have that might be latent. 00:52:21.439 --> 00:52:23.385 You know, see if you can pull that out 00:52:23.655 --> 00:52:24.790 Jody: and try to get creative with it. 00:52:25.290 --> 00:52:25.620 Gab: Yeah. 00:52:25.815 --> 00:52:28.065 Jody: I think that's key right there, is to get creative with it. 00:52:28.151 --> 00:52:28.470 Yeah. 00:52:28.470 --> 00:52:29.895 with new ways to do these things. 00:52:30.395 --> 00:52:30.995 Gab: Definitely. 00:52:31.220 --> 00:52:34.780 Jody: You know, 'cause I, I feel like right now, like I, I'm kind of sick 00:52:34.780 --> 00:52:37.600 of the same old, same old, like I, I mentioned the Estes method a lot. 00:52:37.600 --> 00:52:38.560 It's a great tool. 00:52:38.560 --> 00:52:41.950 It's something weird going on there, but I don't wanna rely on it all the time. 00:52:42.115 --> 00:52:42.505 Gab: Yeah. 00:52:43.005 --> 00:52:44.300 Make it personal to you. 00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:45.340 Jody: Well make it personal to you and, 00:52:45.390 --> 00:52:46.825 Gab: form it to what works for you. 00:52:46.875 --> 00:52:48.615 And your like beliefs. 00:52:49.115 --> 00:52:50.525 Jody: come with new ways to do these new 00:52:51.170 --> 00:52:51.320 Gab: Yeah. 00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:53.420 And I don't just mean like your spiritual beliefs. 00:52:53.420 --> 00:52:58.250 I mean, you know, any kind of beliefs you might hold that are important 00:52:58.250 --> 00:52:59.455 to you, that are sacred to you. 00:52:59.645 --> 00:52:59.760 Jody: Mm-hmm. 00:52:59.975 --> 00:53:02.600 Gab: And they don't have to be spiritual, 00:53:02.900 --> 00:53:04.309 could incorporate it in any way. 00:53:04.819 --> 00:53:06.199 Video games, RPGs, 00:53:07.054 --> 00:53:07.544 LARPing 00:53:08.044 --> 00:53:08.534 Jody: LARPing, 00:53:09.034 --> 00:53:09.064 Oh 00:53:09.064 --> 00:53:09.694 my God. 00:53:09.709 --> 00:53:10.159 Gab: Yeah. 00:53:10.659 --> 00:53:12.699 Maybe a movie series. 00:53:12.729 --> 00:53:13.539 Book series. 00:53:13.539 --> 00:53:17.129 Like, you know, any kind of framework that fits for you. 00:53:17.629 --> 00:53:18.259 Why not? 00:53:18.759 --> 00:53:19.929 Think of it as self-care. 00:53:20.429 --> 00:53:21.119 Jody: self-care. 00:53:21.479 --> 00:53:22.409 You're big on self-care. 00:53:22.686 --> 00:53:23.256 Gab: I love it. 00:53:23.756 --> 00:53:25.526 I Think it's what's getting us all through right now. 00:53:25.882 --> 00:53:26.392 Uh oh. 00:53:26.872 --> 00:53:27.832 Miranda's at the door. 00:53:27.832 --> 00:53:29.062 Is she gonna let herself out? 00:53:29.212 --> 00:53:31.582 She learned how to use the door handle recently. 00:53:32.082 --> 00:53:34.122 She just gets up and grabs it. 00:53:34.622 --> 00:53:35.582 Jody: She'll be back in a minute. 00:53:35.912 --> 00:53:36.539 Gab: She will. 00:53:36.572 --> 00:53:37.052 Jody: She one minute. 00:53:37.359 --> 00:53:37.549 Alright, so, 00:53:37.659 --> 00:53:38.369 Gab: She'll let herself in. 00:53:38.909 --> 00:53:42.589 Jody: I think it's important to say that, um, I don't know, I think this recording 00:53:42.589 --> 00:53:46.359 was like a little bit of an exercise in kind of putting our thoughts out there. 00:53:46.464 --> 00:53:46.944 Yeah. 00:53:47.169 --> 00:53:47.499 You know? 00:53:48.136 --> 00:53:48.348 Gab: We're 00:53:48.386 --> 00:53:49.041 Jody: gonna have to think on it. 00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:50.211 Gab: Yeah, definitely 00:53:50.306 --> 00:53:51.176 Jody: Stew on it, if you will 00:53:51.471 --> 00:53:51.831 Gab: Yeah. 00:53:52.331 --> 00:53:53.330 Jody: Put it in a slow cooker. 00:53:53.601 --> 00:53:54.711 Let it do its thing. 00:53:55.211 --> 00:53:56.331 Gab: See where it goers from here. 00:53:56.691 --> 00:53:58.941 How it changes and evolves 00:53:59.441 --> 00:54:00.958 Jody: and just accept that that's okay. 00:54:01.863 --> 00:54:03.963 Because that means you're growing. 00:54:04.463 --> 00:54:04.703 Gab: Yeah. 00:54:04.703 --> 00:54:06.353 And that's kind of the purpose, right? 00:54:06.353 --> 00:54:10.083 I mean, it's not to just be stagnant, you know? 00:54:10.083 --> 00:54:12.633 You wanna learn and grow and evolve and everything that you're 00:54:12.633 --> 00:54:15.143 doing in all aspects of your life. 00:54:15.533 --> 00:54:16.673 So why would this be any different? 00:54:17.177 --> 00:54:20.638 I also wonder if there's other groups, I'm even thinking of like 00:54:20.638 --> 00:54:22.368 people on TV that are popular 00:54:22.368 --> 00:54:22.458 Jody: Yeah. 00:54:22.503 --> 00:54:25.943 Gab: or like YouTube popular shows that are like doing this work. 00:54:25.943 --> 00:54:28.343 And have they moved beyond? 00:54:28.613 --> 00:54:29.103 And they're, 00:54:29.343 --> 00:54:30.153 Jody: They have to be. 00:54:30.508 --> 00:54:31.288 They have to be. 00:54:31.788 --> 00:54:32.748 You would think. 00:54:33.033 --> 00:54:35.445 I think a lot of it is follow the script. 00:54:35.535 --> 00:54:35.685 You 00:54:35.700 --> 00:54:36.260 know what I mean? 00:54:36.705 --> 00:54:38.955 And I'm not saying that they're writing scripts for these shows. 00:54:38.955 --> 00:54:42.925 I'm sure some really are following a very specific script, but I think it's 00:54:42.925 --> 00:54:47.188 like a lot of them are still kind of following the old ways of thinking. 00:54:47.368 --> 00:54:47.698 Gab: Yeah. 00:54:47.888 --> 00:54:50.368 Jody: Because that's what's popular and that's what's. 00:54:50.892 --> 00:54:52.278 Gab: that's what's entertaining people. 00:54:52.593 --> 00:54:54.423 Jody: It's not even, it's what everybody knows. 00:54:54.423 --> 00:54:55.143 You know what I mean? 00:54:55.973 --> 00:54:57.233 Gab: But that's what's entertaining them. 00:54:57.233 --> 00:54:59.948 That's what's grabbing their attention. 00:54:59.948 --> 00:55:05.278 And even the focus on the negative aspect of it all 00:55:05.578 --> 00:55:05.884 Jody: yeah. 00:55:06.286 --> 00:55:09.136 Gab: You know, where everything's negative, everything's out to harm you. 00:55:09.136 --> 00:55:09.706 Everything's 00:55:09.706 --> 00:55:10.486 out to get you. 00:55:10.531 --> 00:55:11.371 Jody: yeah, that's gone. 00:55:11.461 --> 00:55:12.241 Like, that's gone. 00:55:12.241 --> 00:55:13.321 That's out of my mindset. 00:55:13.321 --> 00:55:16.551 That's years now that, that's already left my brain. 00:55:16.686 --> 00:55:17.046 Gab: Yeah. 00:55:17.546 --> 00:55:19.676 Jody: You know, are there things out there that are evil? 00:55:20.006 --> 00:55:20.426 Yeah. 00:55:20.426 --> 00:55:22.346 I, I mean, I'm sure there are evil people. 00:55:22.346 --> 00:55:22.713 There's 00:55:22.841 --> 00:55:24.281 Gab: yeah, evil people. 00:55:24.281 --> 00:55:27.837 So you're gonna be, you know, if you were a certain way in life, you'll 00:55:27.837 --> 00:55:29.687 be that way in death, you know? 00:55:29.747 --> 00:55:30.252 And there's 00:55:30.252 --> 00:55:30.912 also less 00:55:31.797 --> 00:55:32.367 Jody: when you're dead? 00:55:32.862 --> 00:55:33.372 Gab: maybe 00:55:33.582 --> 00:55:35.292 probably yeah. 00:55:35.792 --> 00:55:36.012 Jody: Uh, 00:55:37.107 --> 00:55:40.317 Gab: I feel like we might've talked about this before, but I just feel like, I don't 00:55:40.317 --> 00:55:41.817 know if we've talked about in the podcast, 00:55:41.817 --> 00:55:41.907 Jody: Mm-hmm. 00:55:42.327 --> 00:55:44.877 Gab: um, like demons are not as common as 00:55:44.877 --> 00:55:45.447 people say they are. 00:55:45.447 --> 00:55:45.507 Jody: No. 00:55:45.507 --> 00:55:47.607 Gab: they are or want you to think they are. 00:55:47.667 --> 00:55:50.911 It's very rare, if at all, to experience 00:55:50.911 --> 00:55:51.271 that. 00:55:51.361 --> 00:55:51.521 Jody: Right. 00:55:51.771 --> 00:55:53.961 Gab: Are there negative entities Yeah. 00:55:54.021 --> 00:55:55.971 That might want you to think there's something else? 00:55:55.971 --> 00:55:56.601 Yeah. 00:55:56.894 --> 00:55:59.054 But like we said, if you're a certain way in life, you're 00:55:59.054 --> 00:56:00.164 going to be that way in death. 00:56:00.374 --> 00:56:03.364 And then you also have to look at thought forms again. 00:56:04.359 --> 00:56:07.949 And the egregors of what other people have created when 00:56:07.949 --> 00:56:09.479 they're going to these places. 00:56:09.479 --> 00:56:09.779 Right. 00:56:09.779 --> 00:56:13.609 Like if you're telling someone, if you come here and you, you know, 00:56:13.699 --> 00:56:18.549 you do A, B, and C. You know this bad entity's going to come and these 00:56:18.549 --> 00:56:19.689 things are gonna happen to you. 00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:24.039 And you then have to look at how people are like feeding that. 00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:24.399 Right. 00:56:24.414 --> 00:56:24.424 Jody: Right. 00:56:24.564 --> 00:56:26.259 Gab: Like what you feed will grow. 00:56:26.690 --> 00:56:26.884 So, 00:56:26.884 --> 00:56:26.994 Jody: oh yeah. 00:56:26.994 --> 00:56:27.544 Gab: So if you're feeding 00:56:27.544 --> 00:56:29.439 the negative, you're going to grow. 00:56:29.456 --> 00:56:29.694 Jody: Sure. 00:56:29.754 --> 00:56:30.234 And you have, 00:56:30.369 --> 00:56:31.194 Gab: that negative experience. 00:56:31.644 --> 00:56:36.134 Jody: you have YouTube and the internet in general and face Facebook and all, 00:56:36.134 --> 00:56:36.434 you know. 00:56:37.124 --> 00:56:41.894 Social media is, is constantly now, especially constantly feeding those 00:56:41.894 --> 00:56:42.374 things. 00:56:42.604 --> 00:56:42.844 You know? 00:56:42.904 --> 00:56:45.094 And especially when you're getting something that's not connected with 00:56:45.094 --> 00:56:46.474 any of the history of the area too. 00:56:46.684 --> 00:56:46.774 Gab: Right. 00:56:46.774 --> 00:56:46.954 Right It 00:56:47.014 --> 00:56:47.584 Jody: you gotta wonder, 00:56:47.584 --> 00:56:48.034 Gab: It doesn't make sense. 00:56:48.144 --> 00:56:48.174 Jody: Yeah. 00:56:48.309 --> 00:56:48.509 Gab: Yeah. 00:56:48.634 --> 00:56:49.304 Jody: Who put it there? 00:56:50.775 --> 00:56:53.754 And we literally run into that all the time. 00:56:53.859 --> 00:56:54.149 Gab: Yeah. 00:56:54.339 --> 00:56:56.874 You have to get past when you go to these places, get past 00:56:56.874 --> 00:56:57.744 what they're telling you to 00:56:57.744 --> 00:56:58.319 expect. 00:56:58.942 --> 00:56:59.264 Right. 00:56:59.264 --> 00:57:00.884 And get to like the real heart of it. 00:57:01.304 --> 00:57:01.544 Jody: Yep. 00:57:02.044 --> 00:57:03.124 Gab: Anything you wanna add? 00:57:03.244 --> 00:57:04.624 Jody: No, I think that's all I got. 00:57:05.323 --> 00:57:06.754 I'm done airing my grievances. 00:57:08.201 --> 00:57:08.591 Gab: Well, 00:57:08.774 --> 00:57:09.764 Jody: Well, we're not going anywhere. 00:57:09.928 --> 00:57:10.166 No, 00:57:10.166 --> 00:57:11.126 we're still gonna do this. 00:57:11.156 --> 00:57:12.178 Uh, we enjoy it. 00:57:12.348 --> 00:57:14.578 We really like, you know, running the show and 00:57:15.078 --> 00:57:15.408 Gab: Yeah. 00:57:15.673 --> 00:57:16.813 Jody: I think it's something for us. 00:57:16.813 --> 00:57:17.113 Right. 00:57:17.113 --> 00:57:17.173 Yeah. 00:57:17.233 --> 00:57:19.123 I think that's mainly why we do it. 00:57:19.213 --> 00:57:21.613 You know, we don't make any money off it, we don't 00:57:22.063 --> 00:57:22.483 Gab: Right. 00:57:22.983 --> 00:57:23.103 Jody: know, 00:57:23.603 --> 00:57:24.713 we're not asking for anything. 00:57:24.953 --> 00:57:25.313 Gab: No. 00:57:25.813 --> 00:57:27.583 It's just fun to share our stories with you. 00:57:27.588 --> 00:57:27.728 Jody: Yeah. 00:57:28.012 --> 00:57:28.702 Gab: In this way. 00:57:29.202 --> 00:57:33.132 Another way to kind of connect with people who are interested in the field. 00:57:33.312 --> 00:57:34.592 Jody: Collect other peoples stories 00:57:35.093 --> 00:57:35.202 Gab: Yeah. 00:57:35.262 --> 00:57:36.512 Jody: That's what the interviews are, I mean, 00:57:36.618 --> 00:57:38.868 Gab: Maybe you are interested in this field, but you don't wanna 00:57:38.868 --> 00:57:43.085 take the time, the energy, the expense to go out and investigate. 00:57:43.145 --> 00:57:48.085 But you can kind of, you know, spend the time with us and, you know, debrief 00:57:48.085 --> 00:57:50.755 with us and hear about our experiences. 00:57:50.995 --> 00:57:52.375 Listen to our evidence, right? 00:57:52.992 --> 00:57:53.165 Jody: Yeah. 00:57:53.705 --> 00:57:54.575 Maybe you're just weird. 00:57:54.989 --> 00:57:55.366 Gab: Yeah. 00:57:55.866 --> 00:57:57.006 Maybe you're just into this 00:57:57.006 --> 00:57:57.556 stuff. 00:57:57.906 --> 00:57:59.376 Jody: Maybe you're just into doing weird things 00:57:59.426 --> 00:58:01.316 Gab: Into this little niche 00:58:01.316 --> 00:58:01.466 Jody: Embrace it. 00:58:03.271 --> 00:58:03.620 Gab: Yeah. 00:58:03.786 --> 00:58:05.706 Jody: Don't let anybody tell you that there's, you 00:58:05.706 --> 00:58:07.196 know, something wrong with you. 00:58:07.256 --> 00:58:08.636 If it's what you enjoy, then do it. 00:58:09.044 --> 00:58:10.184 Write about it, read about it. 00:58:10.702 --> 00:58:12.454 You know, express yourself any way you could. 00:58:13.129 --> 00:58:13.329 I guess. 00:58:13.329 --> 00:58:13.984 Don't make you happy. 00:58:14.045 --> 00:58:14.314 Yeah. 00:58:14.739 --> 00:58:17.469 Gab: You have to, at the end of the day, find something, 00:58:17.544 --> 00:58:19.794 Jody: Make a documentary, make a painting, whatever. 00:58:20.184 --> 00:58:21.384 Gab: Do something to fill your cup. 00:58:21.884 --> 00:58:22.994 Can't keep draining it. 00:58:23.494 --> 00:58:25.054 Well, thanks for listening. 00:58:25.054 --> 00:58:27.034 If you got this far, we appreciate it. 00:58:27.964 --> 00:58:29.914 We know we started out kind of slow in the beginning. 00:58:29.914 --> 00:58:30.994 I hope it got better. 00:58:31.189 --> 00:58:32.269 Jody: I feel like it was up and down. 00:58:32.421 --> 00:58:32.649 Gab: Yeah. 00:58:34.264 --> 00:58:36.664 Jody: Again, this is, this is not something we didn't prepare 00:58:36.664 --> 00:58:37.684 this, we didn't have an outline. 00:58:37.684 --> 00:58:39.274 This is just something we kind of just said. 00:58:39.394 --> 00:58:44.054 I think we should do a recording where we just kind of go off the top of our 00:58:44.054 --> 00:58:45.309 minds, you know, like what's, yeah. 00:58:45.314 --> 00:58:47.594 What's our, what's, what's going on in our head? 00:58:47.984 --> 00:58:48.344 Gab: Yeah. 00:58:48.554 --> 00:58:50.834 We've been avoiding talking about these things, 00:58:50.914 --> 00:58:51.149 Jody: Yeah. 00:58:51.164 --> 00:58:51.384 Gab: So, 00:58:51.884 --> 00:58:55.449 so we didn't kind of like contaminate it with the conversation Yeah. 00:58:55.449 --> 00:58:57.189 That we already had, you know, 00:58:57.334 --> 00:58:57.624 Jody: it's 00:58:57.744 --> 00:58:58.959 Gab: we actually have the conversation 00:58:58.989 --> 00:59:01.509 Jody: It's weird too, you know, when you're doing a paranormal podcast 00:59:01.809 --> 00:59:03.969 from our standpoint, we, we believe in this stuff. 00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:04.409 Gab: Right. 00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:05.679 Jody: We, We, really do. 00:59:05.709 --> 00:59:08.499 And you know, there's plenty of podcasts out there, you know, and 00:59:08.799 --> 00:59:10.479 YouTube debunkers and stuff like that. 00:59:10.509 --> 00:59:11.869 Um, we believe in this stuff, 00:59:11.869 --> 00:59:15.019 so, It's hard to run a podcast and then do an episode like this where 00:59:15.019 --> 00:59:19.459 we're like, well, we don't really believe in some of that stuff anymore. 00:59:19.594 --> 00:59:19.864 Gab: Yeah. 00:59:19.864 --> 00:59:22.209 Jody: You know, but I mean, it might come back. 00:59:22.209 --> 00:59:22.299 Gab: Right. 00:59:22.299 --> 00:59:22.869 Jody: Who, who knows. 00:59:22.869 --> 00:59:23.679 It's always changing. 00:59:24.009 --> 00:59:24.099 It's 00:59:24.099 --> 00:59:24.639 evolving. 00:59:24.814 --> 00:59:25.034 So, 00:59:25.470 --> 00:59:25.954 Gab: That's true. 00:59:26.454 --> 00:59:29.934 Jody: If you wanna get in touch with us, you go to podcast the paranormal.com. 00:59:30.213 --> 00:59:34.851 Podcast of the Paranormal is all one We have our contact form on there. 00:59:35.385 --> 00:59:38.041 So if you wanna come on the show, do a little interview, tell us your 00:59:38.041 --> 00:59:40.179 story, contact us through the website. 00:59:40.771 --> 00:59:43.894 Our email address is contact@podcasttheparanormal.com. 00:59:44.394 --> 00:59:46.643 You could stream our episodes right from the website 00:59:47.144 --> 00:59:52.274 Gab: you can also, find all of the different platforms where 00:59:52.274 --> 00:59:54.080 you can listen to our show. 00:59:54.530 --> 01:00:00.810 If you're listening through Spotify, apple, Amazon, leave us a review. 01:00:00.870 --> 01:00:01.980 Let us know what you think. 01:00:02.310 --> 01:00:03.300 Bad or good. 01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:04.530 We'd love to hear from you. 01:00:04.755 --> 01:00:04.995 Jody: Yeah. 01:00:04.995 --> 01:00:06.045 That's really important to us. 01:00:06.045 --> 01:00:07.065 We want feedback. 01:00:07.080 --> 01:00:07.380 Gab: Yeah. 01:00:08.315 --> 01:00:10.325 You can reach out through our contact form too. 01:00:10.765 --> 01:00:12.325 I just like to connect with people. 01:00:12.765 --> 01:00:14.865 Jody: We got some really nice feedback recently. 01:00:15.498 --> 01:00:15.738 Love 01:00:15.738 --> 01:00:16.218 seeing that. 01:00:16.278 --> 01:00:20.168 And we had a lot, like I said, we had a lot of people come up 01:00:20.168 --> 01:00:23.683 and talk to us and, tell us their experiences at the curiosities event. 01:00:23.914 --> 01:00:24.776 Gab: Yeah, that was great. 01:00:25.290 --> 01:00:26.986 Jody: We didn't even bring our recording equipment. 01:00:27.076 --> 01:00:30.406 We were just there to just, you know, kind of like talk with everybody. 01:00:30.406 --> 01:00:31.621 But in 01:00:31.621 --> 01:00:35.011 hindsight I kind of wish I brought the recorder ' cause we got a lot of stories. 01:00:35.179 --> 01:00:35.701 Gab: Yeah. 01:00:35.851 --> 01:00:36.751 It was awesome. 01:00:36.961 --> 01:00:37.291 Jody: Yeah. 01:00:37.791 --> 01:00:38.061 Gab: Yeah. 01:00:38.061 --> 01:00:39.711 A lot of people sharing their experiences. 01:00:39.711 --> 01:00:40.191 It was great. 01:00:40.717 --> 01:00:42.221 Jody: So anyway, that's all I got. 01:00:42.401 --> 01:00:42.731 Yeah. 01:00:42.791 --> 01:00:43.511 Thanks for listening.